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The Moorman #5 polaroid captured simultaneously with Zapruder frame
315 to 316 (precisely 315.6), only 0.14 second after President Kennedy's head exploded
(do you know where the "badge man" and HSCA-determined grassy knoll assassins were located?)
Used with the personal permission of Mary Moorman, one of three dozen Dealey Plaza
 witnesses I have personally interviewed. Anyone who claims to know anything about
the assassination should personally interview the living witnesses. They are relatively easy to
locate, and most will share the details of what he/she saw, heard, felt, touched, and/or smelled.

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Moorman #5 showing inverted shades displaying the evident damage to the head top and head rear of President Kennedy.

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The HSCA acoustically-determined the location of the grassy knoll assassin when
the HSCA had an 11-22-63 Dallas police motorcycle escort radio tape scientifically analyzed and
compared to an HSCA shooting recreation recorded in 1978. The HSCA never tested the "badge man"
location because the "badge man" was not discovered until 1982.

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The "badge man" cropped, contrasted and brightened only.

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(left to right, and colorized) supposedly Gordon Arnold filming, "badge man" assassin,
the railroadman construction-hard-hatted accomplice.

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The "badge man" assassin colorized.

Badgeman 18:17, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the photos. Seems like wiki-software does not display them as clear and crisp as they actually are. In your opinion, IF badgeman was a real assassin who appears to have just fired a shot, do you think that bullet hit JFK? 205.188.117.9 20:18, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • The "badge man" assassin's shot, fired within a micro-second of the HSCA-determined assassin's shot, did not strike President Kennedy. (since the president was facing nearly in profile to the "badge man," if a "badge man" fired bullet had hit the president in the right side of his head, the bullet, most-likely, would have exited on the left half of the president's head). There is evidence of where the "badge man" missed shot went to. On 11-22-63, within an hour of the assassination, Jean Hill, who was very close to the president at 313, stated on tv that some shots were fired from the grassy knoll. Jean Hill further testified to the Warren Commission that on 11-22-63 she was told by one of the "agents" who questioned her and Mary Moorman that a second "agent" -who Hill testified the first agent told her this second "agent" had been stationed in Dealey Plaza- saw a bullet strike close to her feet in the ground and that bullet kicked up debris. (officially, there were no "agents" documented to be stationed in/near Dealey Plaza at any time, even though several other witnesses are documented to have encountered "agent(s)" within Dealey Plaza within 25 minutes of the assassination) The trajectory line of a shot fired from "badge man" just missing President Kennedy from Z-310 to 314, leads directly at the immediate ground surrounding Jean Hill. Additionally, there is 1968 documented grand jury testimony from a Dealey Plaza witness that he observed a gunman fire from within the open trunk of a car parked with its trunk up close to the picket fence line.

[edit] Some notes on the latest revert

  1. There is no reason to restore the old quotation marks. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Use_straight_quotation_marks_and_apostrophes.
  2. It is rude to accuse another editor of vandalism over a content dispute.
  3. Your opinions on this McAdams person are irrelevant and do not belong in this article or in the edit summary.
  4. This is not the HSCA article and is not the place for their conclusions.
  5. The idea that the HSCA "scientifically determined to better than a 95% probability" the exact spot of a second shooter based on dubious acoustic evidence is utter nonsense.

Gamaliel 00:57, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your edit removed some of my earlier comments, which I have restored. I assume this was accidental, but however it happened, please take care not to do this again. If you want a productive discussion, please take a more polite tone with those who disagree with you. Note Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Comments like "liberally over-emotional" and "living in denial" are unproductive and uncivil. Also, please spell my user name correctly. Gamaliel 01:36, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Gamaliel, you do agree, do you not, that a "productive discussion," (and by direct inference, productive, accurate Wikipedia-disseminated information) also, absolutely, includes discussing and disseminating ALL of the related documented evidence, right? Badgeman 14:04, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question of POV

I am tempted to add a sentence saying that the purported badge man could not have been "the" assasin since the retaining wall would have blocked him from the President for that fatal shot. I know some will claim that is POV, but I've been to Dealey Plaza and I can tell you that that shot is impossible.

Here is a proposed sentence: Visitors to Dealey Plaza will quickly realize however that any person standing in the location of "badge man" could not have fired a fatal shot at President Kennedy, since the retaining wall would block their line of sight. This is so even if the person stands on the bumber of a car.Ramsquire 21:03, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

    • Not true, Ramsquire. As with most "lone nut" apologists, Ramsquire is not knowledgeable of, and/or, he "forgot" to mention something.... he "forgot" to mention that it has, in fact, been scientifically proven that in the Moorman polaroid #5 the line-of-sight from Mary Moorman to the "badge man" head top proves that the "badge man" head top is above the ground some 8', therefore, as seen in the Moorman #5 polaroid the "badge man" feet if just 0.5' northwest of the picket fence line were elevated above the car parking lot ground (given an average human male height of 5'10"). Because it has been scientifically determined that the "badge man" head top was elevated above the ground some 8', that, of course, then did make it entirely possible for a "badge man" fired bullet to pass above the upper corner of the cement retaining wall. The "badge man" assassin's shot, fired within a micro-second of the HSCA-determined assassin's shot, did not strike President Kennedy. (since the president was facing nearly in profile to the "badge man," if a "badge man" fired bullet had hit the president in the right side of his head, the bullet, most-likely, would have exited on the left half of the president's head). There is evidence of where the "badge man" missed shot went to. On 11-22-63, within an hour of the assassination, Jean Hill, who was very close to the president at 313, stated on tv that some shots were fired from the grassy knoll. Jean Hill further testified to the Warren Commission that on 11-22-63 she was told by one of the "agents" who questioned her and Mary Moorman that a second "agent" -who Hill testified the first agent told her this second "agent" had been stationed in Dealey Plaza- saw a bullet strike close to her feet in the ground and that bullet kicked up debris. (officially, there were no "agents" documented to be stationed in/near Dealey Plaza at any time, even though several other witnesses are documented to have encountered "agent(s)" within Dealey Plaza within 25 minutes of the assassination) The trajectory line of a shot fired from "badge man" just missing President Kennedy from Z-310 to 314, leads directly at the immediate ground surrounding Jean Hill. Additionally, there is 1968 documented grand jury testimony from a Dealey Plaza witness that he observed a gunman fire from within the open trunk of a car parked with its trunk up close to the picket fence line.Badgeman 00:04, 29 Jan 2005(UTC)
Isn't it odd that Jim Garrison didn't use that witness in his trial? Do we have any corroborating evidence that Jim Hicks was in Dealey Plaza that day? Why did no one hear from him before 1968? As for "Badgeman", don't you think witnesses Emmett Hudson, Abraham Zapruder, and Marilyn Sitzman, standing only a few yards from that fence, would have noticed someone standing eight feet off the ground firing a rifle? Or that Lee Bowers, who had an unobstructed view of the back of the fence from a two-story tower in the parking lot, would have seen this? You have to do a lot of explaining away of other eye- and earwitness testimony to make "Badgeman" possible. — Walloon 05:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

Mary Moorman's only claim to fame is that she has taken a photo that some claim contains Badgeman. It seems fairly obvious to me that a merger would be appropriate here. JChap2007 01:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Disagree - She is mildly famous as a witness to the assassination. There is quite a bit of information on her on the Internet. She made statements to the FBI and others about it. She was played by Sally Nystuen in the movie JFK. Fanra 03:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disagree — Mary Moorman was a witness, Badgeman is a theory held by conspiracy theorists. "Badgeman" is not Mary Moorman's theory, it is an inference drawn by others. The two are not joined at the waist. — Walloon 04:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)