Talk:Bad girl art

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Contents 1 Quite Judgemental 2 Balanced it out 3 Sometimes...bad is bad 4 Restoring images 5 Jargon 6 Taarna 7 Contradicts good girl art article 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Darkness25 2.jpg 9 Fair use rationale for Image:Angela hunter.jpg

[edit] Quite Judgemental

If one reads the "Bad Girls and Good Girls" Section, it does not seem to me to stick to the ideal that Wikipedia has of being neutral. I can't quite explain it, but it seems to me the author was wishing to express a very feminist point of view. Dessydes

[edit] Balanced it out

I went over the article, toneing down the bias where i could. I also updated with the current revitalization of the genre. I read over it and i think we can now take down the "questionable neutrality" warning.

Lagozzino

[edit] Sometimes...bad is bad

A bit more on the origins of this term would be illuminating. Who, for instance, coined the phrase "bad girl art" and how was it used in its earliest appearances? It's not insignificant that the term it is probably based on, "good girl art", originally meant "girl art" that was "good" and only later came to suggest something different. The ironic secondary meaning that this gives to "bad girl art" is worth pointing out, especially if anyone can show that this double-entendre was intentiional all along. I recall that there was quite a bit of commentary during the style's heyday, and much of it was disapproving. It would not at all surpise me to learn that the term has a "feminist" origin.

I very much agree with the above comments. The thing that really gets me is, who are these feminist types really? There are women who are fans of WitchBlade and Lara Croft who admire what these characters achieve. Anyway, anybody who worships or condemns these characters should get a life. Art should be admired in it's own time and place. Dessydes

[edit] Restoring images

I have reverted the mass removal of images from the page. All of these images illustrate the characters they depict, and as such fall within the fair use purposes for which they were uploaded. Smerdis of Tlön 22:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Do they? The fair use rationale given on each image says:

It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of covers of individual issues of comic books

• to illustrate:

• the issue of the comic book in question;
• the periodical comic book series of which this issue is a part; or
• the copyrighted comic book character(s) or group(s) on the cover of the issue in question;

• where no free alternative exists or can be created...

It doesn't seem to me that this usage would fall into any of that. It's solely discussing the TYPE of comic it is, not the exact one, and so wouldn't fall into that fair use rationale. I suppose one could argue that there is a fair use rationale for using it here, but they're not on the image's pages. --Rory096 20:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I see you put another fair use rationale on there, thanks. I do still think that free versions could be created, though; it won't actually show a character people may be familiar with, but it can still show the concept. --Rory096 20:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

No, a free image would just be a piece of fan art. This is about a trend and a visual style in published comics, from a particular period of their history. I really don't think there's any substitute for using the publishers' images of the characters in question. Smerdis of Tlön 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jargon

The article uses "T&A" without explaining what it means. Is it meant to mean "tits 'n' ass"? Is this a comic industry term? Some explanation would be useful, rather than just throwing "T&A" randomly into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.173.23.111 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 18 May 2006

[edit] Taarna

What about Taarna? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.69.44 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 13 January 2007

Image:Heavymetal4.jpg

The Taarakian?...have her washed and bound and then...bring her to me:)--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 19:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradicts good girl art article

The good girl article says that the definition does not refer to morality and that good girls may be evil or violent. By this definition, all bad girl art is good girl art, and the distinctions between bad girls and good girls described in this article aren't distinctions at all. Ken Arromdee 03:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The 'good' in 'good girl art' doesn't refer to the girl, but to the art itself.Dr Faustus AU 10:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, but it's not up to us to define it, merely report on how it has been defined. I believe that the term "good girl art" was coined a few decades before "bad girl art". The latter term is a riff or reference to the former. This article needs to have reliable sources which show how the phrase has been used. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 22:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Darkness25 2.jpg

Image:Darkness25 2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 04:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Angela hunter.jpg

Image:Angela hunter.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 18:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)