Talk:Bad Wolf references in Doctor Who

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[edit] Merge notice

Discuss. --khaosworks 14:13, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

I think the subject is of importance enough to merit it staying its own article. Yes, as it is a major plot line it should be included. But as it is a major event, it shouldn’t be confined to just the one episode. And in my opinion, if we merge the two, the episode article will begin to look a bit… cluttered. --AEdwards 18:27, 24 July, 2005 (UTC)
Yeah I think there are enough reasons for it to credit its own article. --bjwebb 19:53, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I was semi-tempted to Vfd it, but it is well written and the info is interesting but it is repetitous of info contained in the notes in the episode articles. By rights, if it stays, we'll need to strip down the notes in each of the episode articles. --Tim Pope 21:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

It's probably better to strip down the various notes in the episodes and just point to this one, then. --khaosworks 03:52, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

As the creator of this article, I think that it should not be merged. It actually has no more to do with the episode BW than the title. The actual BW mentions were explained in TPOTW. So, keep it as it is, please.--84.51.149.80 16:47, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Can we at least give it a decent article name… "mentions" is not a very professional term.--Tim Pope 17:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I moved it to Bad Wolf references... without thinking. Sorry, should have mentioned it first but I was sleepy. Feel free to move it back if you disagree. Going to bed now. --khaosworks 17:27, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
References certainly is a little better than mentions, but...I don't know. Is there any more information we can include in the article without it getting too technical? --JB Adder | Talk 02:06, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
Could you elaborate? --khaosworks 04:33, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Anyway, I think we've a consensus to keep and changing the various notes in the episodes so it points to here instead. I'll leave this up for the next working day or so for anyone else to chime in, then remove the merge notice. Then we can go around reworking the notes. --khaosworks 06:20, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

For completeness, can I suggest the following "allusions" to the Bad Wolf meme:

  1. In Rose, the Nestene Conciousness mouths the words "Bad Wolf" when the TARDIS is revealed. There is a orange-brown plushie of a wolf on Rose's bed when she is getting up
  2. In The End of the World, the Doctor gives Jabe the gift of air from his lungs - like the Bad Wolf, huffing and puffing.
  3. In The Aliens of London, it is purported that a sign held by an individual in the crowd scene who wanted to see the alien reads "BAD WOLF IS COMING."
  4. In The Long Game, is purported that the white noise information sent by Adam to a phone in the twenty first century is Morse code for “bad wolf, bad wolf.”
  5. In The Doctor Dances, Captain Jack comments on the fact that the Doctor looks like a U-Boat captain (With the jacket). U-boats used to be known as 'wolf packs'.
  6. In The Parting of the Ways, In the cafe where Mickey, Jackie, and Rose are eating chips, there is a poster behind Rose with the words "Bad Wolf" on them. When Rose is sitting in the playground, the words "Bad Wolf" are chalked in very large letters on the floor. In the same playground, there are many graffiti 'Bad Wolf's on the wall nearby.
  7. On the Who is Doctor Who website, http://www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk/index6.shtml - I quote Mickey: "You see, he's off, making another decision for us, all "I'm the big bad wolf and it's way past your bedtime." Well, I don't think so. Not this time."
  8. On the GeoComTex website, On the support page, the correct setting for the pins in the RH-390 S12 is "-... .- -.. .-- --- .-.. ..-." - This is Bad Wolf in morse code. On the products page, it advertises "Node Stabilised (Lupus and Nocens variants)" - Lupus meaning "Wolf" and Nocens meaning "Bad". Also on the products page, it advertises "Argentum Ordnance (6/9/32 piece packs)" - Argentum Ordnance meaning... silver bullets. Used for killing werewolves - bad wolves.

-- HeyWayne 20:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Some of this is already mentioned in the article, though - the Morse Code for instance. Others are more remote, or unproven, like the white noise and the plush doll; and others like the "Bad Wolf" mouthing are right out (mentioned but discounted). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:21, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
I guess all someone has to do is get a screenshot of the doll. dposse 23:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arc word series 2

Does anyone know a website where they are discussing the arc word for series 2. I expect someone has searched through all the dialog. Can anyone give my a URL? --βjweþþ (talk) 11:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Try the forums on Outpost Gallifrey. --khaosworks 11:56, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Future bad wolf refs

Be a bit pointless after the events of parting of the ways wouldn't they? They may crop up in the next batch of NDAs, but the mystery has dissipated. --Tim Pope 09:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Precisely why I reverted that edit. "They certainly should" is POV and should not be there in the first place. IMO, that entire sentence is superfluous. --khaosworks 14:48, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Anyway they're only scattered, so there could easily only be the current amount of them. --βjweþþ (talk) 17:23, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Parting of the Ways

Added one new ref.

[edit] Adherents of the repeated "meme"?

It's mean, not meme, and the dvd subtitles confirm that... that whole paragraph should probably go, but I'm no Doctor Who expert so I'll leave it for one of you guys. Proto t c 14:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

The DVD subtitles are wrong. The line the Doctor says in the episode when describing them is: "A repeated meme is just an idea, and that's all they are, an idea." To substitute "mean" in that sentence makes no sense. On top of that, the shooting script has it as Repeated Meme as well. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I've just borrowed a copy of the shooting script, and you're right - cheerfully withdrawn! Proto t c 16:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Rose and Bad Wolf

It appears that Rose is not yet aware that she is the point of origin of Bad Wolf - the Doctor was not in a position to tell her. There might also be "left over traces" from the dispersal - as there appears to be some flexibility in the way history develops, "Rose-as-Bad-Wolf" may not know where to seed the references. Jackiespeel 17:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

um, ok. what's your point?dposse 23:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)