Talk:Bad Girls (TV series)

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[edit] Character pages

OK i have now created seperate character pages for Bad Girls characters. Users are welcome to help with filling in information on the character pages. i.e Pictures, important info by series etc. Thanks


[edit] Cancellation?

Why has it been removed from the page?

In looking at the history, it seems that it was removed because someone vandalized the page, specifically that section. Who knows if it's necessary for cancellation to be its own section, given that the show's cancellation is mentioned in the introduction. Jtattenbaum 17:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Girls: Extra Time?????

If the Bad Girls page IS NOT even allowed a link to Bad Girls Anonymous, then why is it allowed to have a link to this??? Explain someone, because if Bad Girls: Extra Time can have a mention, then why cannot BGA!!!

EDIT: Its been deleated!

[edit] Bad Girls Around The World

Just to confirm, Five Life are showing Bad Girls from Series 4, not just Series 4 and 5.

[edit] Review

I have heard a review on Radio 4 for "Bad Girls: The Musical" running in the West End and based on the TV series. Shouldn't that get a mention in the article somewhere? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.225.147.82 (talk • contribs) 00:31, August 24, 2006 (UTC).

Perhaps, unfortunately I jnow nothing about this interview --Oliver Davison 19:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Article was way too long

I got rid of most of the series 8 summary. If people want an episode by episode sumamary, they can go to the Bad Girls official website! I also added a section about the cancellation. I would also consider getting rid of, or at least massively rewriting, the recurring elements section... it's really badly written and probably not even necessary. --Pellet 23:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The page is in need of lots of work.. presently I'm re-watching episodes as its been so long since I last saw them and doing the LOE, hopefully we can get this page up to a good standard. Matthew Fenton (talk) 23:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I still think the Series plot summaries are far too waffly and verbose. We really don't need to know every plotline in the series here. The series 8 summary in particular has once again become a slab of useless fan-babble --Pellet 11:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Who wants to edit it? It should be the same length as the other plot summaries. No reason that the shortest (and worst) series should have the longest write-up! Jtattenbaum 22:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I have edited all of the Series summaries into what should be a more readable style and a better base to work from. The ones that were up there were practically unreadable and yes, S8 was far too long compared to the others. Let me know what you think. Unlikelyheroine 23:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I've edited S8 again, which had been expanded with dozens of spelling errors by yet another unregistered user who appears to be a fan of this series and wants to relate everything that happens. It's now longer than it was - I don't think it needs to have more than this. Unlikelyheroine 17:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cast list

I personally think it is pointless having the cast broken up into past and final series, as the series is now defunct. If you're going to do that for the final series, why not every series. What do others think? Jay Firestorm 19:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi, i'm the one who has done the cast list as it is with the past characters and final series sections. I'm sorry if it looks strange but i only did it so people who hadn't yet seen the final ever episode, would know who was in it. But if people would like to change the section then they are completly welcome to do so. I also tried to list every character that had appeared in Bad Girls (even down to the minor characters) and to help me do so i split the sections into three groups (Past officers, inmates and others.) I would however be obligied that if anyone was to change the list around, they would take note of the characters already on the page because it took me an awful long time to get it as it is. Thanks! xx —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Badgirlsfan (talk • contribs) 12:34, January 2, 2007 (UTC).
    • Hi, new fan/editor here. Wouldn't it make sense to divide the character list by major characters and minor characters? The way it is now feels very overwhelming, and it's hard to spot a character you're interested in. There could be Major Prisoners, Minor Prisoners, Major Officers, Minor Officers, and Other Characters. Thoughts? Jtattenbaum 21:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Musical?

I think there should be a section about the Bad Girls musical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidavid31 (talk • contribs) 01:33, December 31, 2006 (UTC)

Already on it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badgirlsfan (talk • contribs) 00:39, January 3, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ITV3 skipped episode (?)

Does anyone know why ITV3 have seemingly skipped the final episode of series 2? I've turned in tonight to find that it is the first episode of series three. I've scoured the schedules and am certain that I haven't missed one - I definately watched it last Monday. Now one of the key episodes plot-development wise has been jumped, making this week's a bit hard to follow. I wonder what's going on. Copyright complications? Legal problems due to plotline? ITV3 just being stupid (wouldn't be the first time!)?? Who knows. Jay Firestorm 23:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


  • Replying to myself, I e-mailed ITV3 about this, and got this reply:

"In response to your previous email.

I can confirm episode 13 of series to will now be transmitted on Monday 26/2/07. Thank you for bringing the error to our attention.

Regards DUTY OFFICER - PR"

So, rather worrying that a leading channel don't seem to know what they're doing or don't spot mistakes, but positive in that the episode will be broadcast. =) Jay Firestorm 20:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character Pages

Im going to create a character page for each character in the cast list. (similar to that of character pages on wikipedia made for characters in soaps). Just thought id let people know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.172.91 (talk • contribs) 16:04, March 6, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Girls Anonymous?

Why is there a section devoted to this message board thread? It seems very peculiar, given the Wikipedia policies about linking to external sites. I mean, it seems fine to have a link to the message board thread, but an entire section about one message board seems a bit much. There are a number of other equally-active Bad Girls discussions/message boards happening online, including on Television Without Pity, Bad Girls Online (which has archived threads going back to 2001), Bad Girls Net, and the Helen and Nikki board, all of which are equally worthy of being featured this way. Which is why, it seems to me, that there shouldn't be any section about any particular website or message board related to the show, and these should be included as links at the bottom, as is traditional on Wikipedia. Anyone else have an opinion on this? Jtattenbaum 22:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you should have left it on because BGA is a much more active disussion board than others. If you go on Bad Girls Online, you'd notice they get probably around three messages a day now if there lucky, Bad Girls Net is rarely updated now and all in all, BGA is a thread on Digitalspy that is still ongoing after it was first started in August 2005, still being posted on everyday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.141.208.164 (talk • contribs) 11:11, March 29, 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I agree with Jtattenbaum's edits and rationale. Even if one fansite is much more active than others, an entire section in the article devoted to it is not really appropriate (unless it is notable enough to have been mentioned in the mainstream press). -- Satori Son 14:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
And, in the more recent readings of the linking rules, it seems it's not even appropriate to link to ANY online discussion forum, so at least it's all fair. (That said, for the record, if BGA gets 3 messages a day it's not the most active BG forum around--not even close.) Jtattenbaum 14:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
That's right as well. In general, "non-official" fansites and forums should not be linked to at all, even in the "External links" section. Please read WP:External links for more info. Thanks, Satori Son 15:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Well if you were to read my post properly Jtattenbaum, you would no i DIDN'T say BGA gets 3 messages a day, i said Bad Girls Online gets about 3 messages a day, a totally different Message board. - i suggest you do your research mate!!!
Sorry 'bout the misread. But of course the point about not linking to message boards (and not privileging one over others) still stands. Jtattenbaum 21:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me Jtattenbaum, but do u own wikipedia?? If not what gives you the right to choose who can post what...I am a regular on digitalspy and find it insulting that you took it upon yourself to edit peoples point of view..kbramman

Just following the Wikipedia rules here, kbramman. No need to get hostile. I don't have a problem with digitalspy, and I didn't edit anyone's point of view, or chose who could post what. If you read this page and view my edits, you can see that I posted here before editing anything on the Bad Girls article. When it came to changing external links, I again asked those more knowledgeable, and Satori Son was kind enough to clarify the Wikipedia external linking guidelines. I then edited the links on this page according to those guidelines, to keep things consistent. And when another poster introduced the issue again, I relayed what I had learned from Satori Son. Jtattenbaum 19:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

There used to be a link to digitalspy,which has been removed... the link to badgirls net is still there but the bga link has been removed, kbramman

Bad Girls Net is a website. Digital Spy and Bad Girls Anonymous are message boards/discussion forums. The rule is no links to message boards or discussion forums. Therefore all links to them have been removed from this article. Jtattenbaum 21:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Rules were made to be broken! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.131.51 (talk • contribs) 09:33, April 3, 2007 (UTC)
If the user at 172.189.131.51 (talk · contribs) is referring to the official policy of Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, then they have badly mischaracterized it. That policy states "If the rules prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore them." That policy would be appropriate to cite here if, for example, you knew of this high quality, relevant external link but didn't know exactly how to format it or where to insert it. IAR tells you to not worry about the rules: just go ahead and put the link in the article and someone with more experience will come along and fix it at some point.
It does not mean you can ignore existing rules simply because you don't like them. The WP:External links rule is a long-standing editorial guideline that has widespread community consensus. If you think a certain website link falls within the inclusion criteria set forth there, then convince us of it. Otherwise, I fully support Jtattenbaum's edits to this article thus far. -- Satori Son 20:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Im fully aware that you may support his edits, but some don't. The problem with wikipedia is that it doesn't matter even if you edit something yourself that could be relevant - someone will still come along, give some excuse and edit it (or totally wipe it) anyway. For example, the user who edited the Series 8 summary has cut alot of it out including references to some of the interesting plotlines. And he's done it because HE doesn't see any reason why (in his own words) "the shortest (and worst series) should have the longest write-up." But what gives him the right to make that decision. Supposing another user decided to add to it... I myself added to the Series 8 summary. I added the final words spoken by Sylvia, words which to a fan might have been seen as the end of an era due to it being the final ever episode, but still it was cut

I mean seriousley, where's the harm in including the BGA thread? It has relevance to the article so why not. In fact, now that Bad Girls is over, it could be mentioned as a type of 'Gone but not forgotten' section, highlighting how important the fan base is which could also have reference to other message boards and sites, and then we wouldn't be breaking any rules.

First, I'm a "she" not a "he" but I'm glad to know you assumed I must represent the patriarchy. Second, if we include the BGA thread, then we should include links to all the active message boards for the show, of which there are at least four, perhaps more. I personally would be fine with that. However, since Wikipedia has a link guideline, and links to message boards do not fall within it, then I'm happy to follow Wikipedia's guideline. My only true personal concern is that it be "fair" in that one message board not be listed while other equally active ones are excluded. Third, my edits on the series 8 summary come from the same impulse. If every series had a five or six paragraph write-up which covered every storyline, then it would be fine for the series 8 summary to have such a long write-up. However, none of the other series have such a write-up, and so my edits to the series 8 summary were primarily to bring that series summary in line with the others. If you would like to rewrite all of the series to make them equally detailed, then by all means go ahead; I think the Bad Girls page on Wikipedia would be much better for it. (Whoops, sorry had a weird copy-paste I had to delete.) Jtattenbaum 01:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)