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Contents 1 Doesn't "Natter" mean "Adder" or "Viper"? 2 Nicht Wahr 2.1 SS funding? 2.2 Some things that are not clear enough 2.3 Surviving Natters

[edit] Doesn't "Natter" mean "Adder" or "Viper"?

Umm, doesn't "Natter" mean "Adder"? Not only does that make sense in terms of spelling, and that that term is what I find on every description of the aircraft I can find, but I also find it difficult to believe the Germans named their aircraft after a class that contains the garter snake... Maury 14:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've seen "Natter" ="Adder" in almost every source, too. Trekphiler 00:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. See de:Nattern, and Ger. Otter is cognate with "adder", while Natter is cognate with Latin natrix (I think) and the "original" version (see Adder (snake) for details). It might also mean "nondescript mid-sized snake" as a colloquialism, with a disparaging air a bit like en:"serpent". Nazi "biological" codenames were usually genera (Enzian: Gentiana) and families (Fw 190 Würger: Laniidae), sometimes species (Fw 189 Uhu: Bubo bubo) however.

In brief, the only correct translation of Natter in this context is colubrid.

The class that contains the garter snake is "reptiles" (or sauropsids) BTW. Dysmorodrepanis 03:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicht Wahr

John Cornwell in Hitler's Scientists (P. 383) claims the Ba-349 became unstable after her rockets were expended. I've never seen this anywhere else; can somebody confirm he's wrong? Trekphiler 01:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• The first manned flight eneded in a crash because one of the jettisionable rocket would not come off, and so made the aircraft unstable. It seems there were at least seven and maybe ten (Green 1970, p. 67, 69) prototypes that have made flights, no problems with the other ones.

[edit] SS funding?

What evidence is there, for the statement that development of the Ba 349 was funded by the SS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oboroten (talk • contribs) 11:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

• Green 1970, p. 65 "Himmler displayed immediate interest in the Natter project, promised his full support" But apart from using his (Himmler's) influence to push the design I can not find any evidence of SS Funding.Dirk P Broer 09:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
  • And about the order of 150 Natters for the SS: Where were the SS pilots?Dirk P Broer 20:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
    
    • I seriously doubt there were ever any SS pilots...but who knows?...As a side point, the Luftwaffe was the most National Socialist or "Nazi-fied" of the three main services (Army, Navy, Air Force; thats not counting the SS as a separate service of course)...I dunno - it does seem a bit strange the SS would control this project. Were they involved with or control the V1-V2 efforts? If so, that might be an indicator of why it was organized that way...Engr105th 00:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some things that are not clear enough

"Several sources claim that an operational unit of Natters was set up by volunteers in Kirchheim unter Teck but didn't carry out any operations, but the evidence for this is inconclusive."

My question is: who would have formed such an unit? The Allies or the Germans? Greetings, Krysiul (talk) 13:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The Germans. What the Allies found later on didn't exactly convince them of the viability of the project...

The question is actually not whether a Ba349 unit existed in general or nominally (the launch pads would seem to prove that - someone had to order them to be built, to be used by someone else). The maghic word is "operational", i.e. "beyond field trials (or rather, one field trial) status". The de: article does not mention anything that would suggest the former is correct. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 08:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Surviving Natters

The article mentions the three survivors, and shows a replica in a museum in Germany. I saw another one at Kermit Week's Fantasy of Flight in Florida - does anybody know if that's an original or a replica? Ptomblin (talk) 15:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

A very passable replica, I think. FWIW Bzuk (talk) 15:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC).

Never mind, answered my own question - http://www.fantasyofflight.com/aircraftpages/natter.htm says it was a replica, built in 2000 Ptomblin (talk) 15:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)