Talk:Ba'al (Stargate)

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It is spelt Ba'al, this is from the official website.

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[edit] Baal Clones

" I'm really hoping there'd be an article or Stargate sg1 reference, who how Baal began cloning himself, and why he did it in the first way. Perhaps, in order to preserve himself and to prevent himself from being killed, Baal forged an army of himself clones, to elude others from killing, the real Baal, in which he had found a way, to live freely, without worrying on the fact that someone is after his life. Making an army of clones, of yourself, in order to confuse your enemies into trying to figure out, which one, is the really the real you, is a perfected strategey, that many baddies, should consider, if they're into cloning that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

What makes a clone less real, to the clone? In any case, this article is excellent prose, and with some more plot details fleshed in to hold attention, it might be featured article material. Kashami 05:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article rename

As an above anon mentioned, the offical site has his name as Ba'al, just like the mythohistorical figure (aka, exactly as it should be). Thus, shouldn't the Article name be changed to Ba'al (Stargate)? For reasons I cannot comprehend, the title was originally that, but was redirected here. At this point, I'm going to go through and edit the individual mentions. If there is concensus, or if noone stumbles across this page, I'll change the title name back in a week. -- Huntster T • @ • C 07:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, after reviewing this article's page history, it seems there has been a mini-battle waged regarding his name. Considering that, as of now, Scifi.com can be considered the canonical resource (not gateworld or any of the fansites), Ba'al is the official name, and I'll go ahead and change it thusly. Please, don't move it back to Baal without a bloody good reason. -- Huntster T • @ • C 07:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] question on Ba'al and mythology in intro

Hello all, in the introductory paragraph, it says, "Ba'al is a Goa'uld based on the Ba'al of mythology."

Within the context of SG-1, shouldn't Ba'al be the Ba'al from mythology? I'm not sure at this time how to reword that sentence to better reflect that meaning. --Tachikoma 21:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, within the context of the show, it's the same person. But the point of the article is that the fictional character Ba'al is based on the mythological character Ba'al. But I agree that there has t obe a better way to say that. --Tim4christ17 talk 19:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I believe in the realm of the show the Goa'uld are largely believed to have assumed the role of a specific god on Earth. It would make sense that when Ba'al came to Earth he observed that a culture believed in a god named Ba'al and he in turn took his name. As far as I understand it the Goa'uld in this case are again scavengers - they do not create mythology they just are there to take advantage of it. I remember this being explained in the season 3 episode Demons that dealt with a society on another planet that believed in God and Jesus Christ and was haunted by Sokar and one of his Unas. HotOne121 04:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Ba'al the last?

In Ba'al's biography, there is a line that reads: "Ba'al is left as the only known surviving System Lord (the others having been killed by the Replicators - except for Anubis, who was neutralized by Oma)." Yet in the following section on the clones, a line reads "Most if not all surviving Goa'uld are under his command". Obviously, one of these two lines has to be wrong. Ba'al cannot be the last surviving System Lord, yet have other surviving System Lords under his command. So which is it? -- Ritchy 00:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The first thing that comes to mind is that few Goa'uld are System Lords.
—wwoods 07:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What Happened?

I was watching season a 10 stargate episode today, and I noticed that Ba'al no longer had a voice flange (it's the episode where the team goes out to find that Sangraal thingy in the mountain). I could only think of a few possibilities for this:

  • First, he is a clone. So there would be no sybiote (granted that Ba'al also cloned his brain too, which is blended with the knowledge of the Ba'al sybiote).
  • Second, it is Ba'al sybiote and all, but he simply doesn't feel like using his "god voice" because he recognizes that the team knows he is not a god. However usually, when the sybiote talks, it makes the distinction between the host and itself using the special voice.
  • Third, the true Ba'al has no symbiote.
  • Fourth, it is like that one episode where this whole town located on earth has cloned sybiotes from that rich dying guy.

Could anybody care to explain this? (NOTE: I have not seen seasons 9 or 10 fully yet.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.161.88.28 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

  • First: Ba'al cloned both his body and his symbiote, each clone comes equipped with both, and all abilities so connected.
  • Second: The Goa'uld use the flanged voice even when talking to their own kind, it's not solely to imply divinity to their subservient slaves, and only the Tok'ra switch their voices back and forth when switching back and forth with their hosts, since the Goa'uld never let their hosts speak at all.
  • Third: The true Ba'al does have a symbiote.
  • Fourth: That episode with the cloned symbiotes is not relevent, they avoided their flanged voices so as to remain incognito and avoid arousing suspicion.
The only reason this Ba'al would have to avoid his flanged voice, whether he's the real Ba'al or a clone, is because he simply doesn't feel like using it, many Goa'uld have avoided the special voice throughout the series when it suited them, and others simply seemed to not care about it. Until season 10 finishes, we won't know for certain if there's some reason, or he just doesn't care. JBK405 23:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Isn't that what I said for point #2? (well, the first part of it) He probably just doesn't feel like using it, because he knows that its not necessary to use the pretense that he is a god to the team. He just doesn't care. By the way, it has been stated on the show before that the Goa'uld only use that voice to scare slaves, humans in general, jaffa, etc. He wouldn't really need it for any other purpose than that. Your comment about the fourth point being irrelevent is also quite argumentative because that episode shows that even a Goa'uld can switch voices to suit their own purposes to whatever. And just because he uses it to other system lords, only means that he is trying to a.) prove he is Goa'uld and b.) to intimdate other system lords. So I only disagree with your point about couple of things. But thanks for the further clarification, as my knowledge of most of the recent seasons are sketchy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.161.88.28 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Quest Baal

Hey, it mentions in this article that the Baal who was with SG1 in the Season 10 "The Quest" episodes was killed by Ori soldiers, however I recently rewatched that episode and it looks to me that that particular Baal was in fact shot by one of the Ori's wrist mounted weapons, which are non-lethal. Whilst they may have simply finished him off there and then, isn’t it possible that Baal was in fact captured along with Daniel Jackson, and could be held captive by the Ori? Perhaps even on the very same ship as Daniel? --Anon 10:00pm, 20 January 2007--

I noticed this as well and have adjusted the article to indicate he was stunned and presumed to be killed.ColonelCurt 22:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Pronunciation

Is it significant that, while it is pronounced 'ball' in the series, according to dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baal) the Canaanite god is pronounced 'beyl'? User:Redshrike —Preceding comment was added at 21:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)