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[edit] Add the Azureus-Wiki-URL more prominent!

Hi,

IMHO http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/ should be displayed at the top or in the box on the right side too, maybe even in red or so.

There are many bad help pages out there and the wiki is really good and gets better every day since they moved and updated the wiki!

Thanks! 2005-09-04

[edit] Pronunciation of Azureus.

As there is a request for this information, here is my two-cents worth.

I would have thought it was rather obvious no..?

AAH-ZOO-REE-USS

If I am wrong I will accept correction but seems right to me..and everyone i know says it the same way!

Everyone I know says it " Ahz / zurr / ee-us " though, which is almost the same but not quite! --83.67.100.40 13:47, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I thought it was pronouced like Wiktionary:azure with an -us on the end. --Pmsyyz 19:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, I've always said " Ah / zuh / RAY / us " --Mikepurvis 17:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I pronounce it "AH / ZEH / RES" LebanonChild 18:46, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

According to how it is pronounced in other languages (there are no other alternatives to pronounce it in Polish, or German for example - at least none of which I can think about at the moment) it should be "AAH-ZOO-REE-USS". -- Dark Archon

Well, it is originally from Latin (Dendrobates azureus, the Linnaean name of the Blue Dart Frog, like it says at the top already), so /ˌɑzəˈɹeəs/ is probably the best English pronunciation. (Rhymes with Amadeus; z as in zero, not as in azure.) On the other hand, my prescriptivist side is showing. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 22:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fully Free

It's GPL according to the article. (All GPL software are copyrighted, btw) WP 09:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

rather Copylefted ;) --84.140.139.212 15:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

To avoid spyware, please always get your Azureus from Sourceforge. 66.146.62.39 21:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

^^ Soapboxing? Is there any real need to only use Sourceforge? The unregistered user makes me suspicious. Benhudson4 15:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It might be because it's the official distribution site. Non-official sites may contain other "additions" --Quess 05:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry Jarvik, but that info was relevant to Azureus

Sorry Jarvik, but that info was relevant to Azureus, so I've pasted it back.

http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/Share_Ratio

Firstly, don't complain. In New Zealand, the upload speed is usually 128kb/s, 512kb/s is avaliable, but is much more expensive.

In BitTorrent, no matter which client you use, the more you share, the more you get. But depending on the torrent, sometimes you can get high speed without even uploading.

You didn’t understand anything did you?

You forget that Bittorent is not just about getting the latest hottest thing. In fact, a lot of people (I for example), look for old classic (games, music, movies) where the seeding is very limited.

Like I said, a lot of people like old classics, but not the same classics, so only one person at the time might be trying to get a file from someone else, so that doesn’t give you a good upload ratio now does it?

Also, with limited bandwidth consumption, I can’t upload more than 10 Gigs per month or I will need to per for the extra Gigs. This means that I can’t leave a torrent open (seed the file) after my download is finish at the risk of paying an extra $30 per month.

So because of this, some Azureus users (who do seed a lot) will regard users like myself as a leech even if we have little choice in the matter.

Your rant is a feature of bittorrents in general, and has little to do with Azureus. The Azureus program is not limiting you in any way. It's the fault of your ISP that you leach, not the developers of Azureus. Just because you can't upload as much as you'd like does not change the fact that you are a leach. If you can't upload as much as you'd like, then don't download as much as you'd like. Johaen 15:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

You still don’t get it. Start playing in the Azureus settings because I’m getting really tired of your ignorance regarding this subject.

I’ll just keep pasting the description and you know very well know that there is nothing you can do to stop this.

As Jarvik has said, this is not specific to Azureus. It's a "problem" with the BitTorrent protocol in general. The protocol describes a "tit-for-tat" mechanism to help those who are sharing, and ignore those who aren't. Every BitTorrent client out there implements it because it is part of the protocol.

Your point about essentially being forced to share is valid, but not Azureus-specific. You could just as well add the exact same stuff to the uTorrent, BitComet, and ABC articles. Because this is a problem with BitTorrent, it would be far better to expound on the there instead. A link to those specifics could then be added to this article if you want.

Unless it got changed in the last version of the "Official BitTorrent” software, it is not part of BitTorrent. Alright, I'll show you guys where it is since it seems that I'm the only one who played around with Azureus' settings.

-Go to Tools\Options in the Azureus menu bar.
-In the Options tab, scroll down until you see Queue.
-Expend the Queue section by clicking on the + (plus sign) and you'll see Seeding and inside that last one you'll see after expending: Auto Starting, First Priority and Ignore Rules.
-These 4 categories of settings allow you to reject people with a low ratio of sharing and seeding. This is not something found on the original BitTorrent program.

1. Learn to sign your edits on talk pages.

2. Stop creating new sections when they all relate to your same complaint.

3. You have no idea what you are talking about. I went into the options as you described, just to check it out. What you are descibing has nothing to do with blocking others from recieving torrents from you. What it does is select which torrents you are currently seeding get priority, based on your own share ratio. So, if you have one torrent that has a ratio of 1.1, and one that has a share ratio of .4, the one with the .4 share ratio will have a higher priority in seeding. Meaning, it will be more likely to be seeded. This is a good thing.

4. I will revert your changes one last time. Hopefully someone with more athority can come in here and stop this from becoming a full-blown edit war. ~ Johaen 14:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC) ~

Screw those options man, I just found out something even better, Azureus has an IP Banning, now that's discrimination. I have changed my topic to reflect the negative part of IP banning, Enjoy.

Also, you'll be happy, I learn how to sign my name :P the_importer 00:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samuella, please provide proof that file sharing in never impossible

You removed part of my topic without leaving any proof that file sharing in never impossible. Please provide proof on how a person can (without hacking the firewall) share files on a very restricted network (please bare in mind that I’m a certified IT).

If you can and if I can verify this, I will remove that comment myself.

A network, by definition, is something you share files on. WP 04:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Not really. I can make a network where file sharing is not permitted. It would basically be a network meant to share an Internet connection, but still a network.

A network is also use to control and regulate computer and Internet usage. So if I don't want people to install software such as MSN, I can simply configure the users who log on with a restriction on installing softwares.

That's a restriction on the computers (or, given that you're a "certified IT", perhaps it'd be best to explain that it's a restriction on the domain), NOT on the network itself. A network's fundamental purpose is to enable the sharing of information; regardless of how locked-down you make it, so long as ANY information controlled by the user can be transmitted to another network peer, the network can be used for filesharing. In the far more likely situation that the network is configured to disallow access to external sites over anything but TCP/80, Azureus (or, indeed, any BT client) can be configured to listen on that port, so you will be able to connect to at least some peers and trackers. And, of course, if the network is simply behind a NAT firewall, BT will purr along happily, though at slightly-reduced effectiveness (in particular, you won't be able to run a tracker for anyone outside your network). Jouster 14:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tom k&e, I couldn't care less

People like yourself are either ignorant on the subject or are just fanboys trying to defend a program that they like.

Anyway, if it's simply ignorance on your behalf, then please feel free to read my explanation on this page (probably above what you are currently reading).

If it's simply that you are a fanboy, then tough.

All of you, please read this Wikipedia Guideline: Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages — Mütze 16:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Azureus as a portable application?

On august 13th DizzyTech categorized Azureus as a Portable application. To my knowledge, it isn't true.

To make Azureus load its settings form an arbitrary directory, i had to modify the source and recompile it. If some user knows how to do it in a smarter way, please write it down here, because there isn't a lot of information about it on the Internet. Amux 11:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

see http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Commandline_options --89.55.204.173 16:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nagware

a window pops up ever so often telling you how much you've up/downloaded and how long you've been using the application, asking you to donate. Does this make it donationware or Nagware? --80.62.185.50 07:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

yes

I've never gotten a pop-up like that. ~Blake D. Hawkins 02:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah, nagware uses popups everytime you use the app, Azureus only uses the popup once your seed/leech ration gets to a certain point. --Ferdia O'Brien 15:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Why is there a link for "Optimization for German DSL Connections" on the External Links section? This link doesn't appear to be relevant to Azureus and the page it links to isn't even in English. Can someone comment on this?

Good question. Removed. — Mütze 00:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This was due, in part, to the program's reliance on the Java virtual machine.

"This was due, in part, to the program's reliance on the Java virtual machine. However, this issue has been rectified as of version 2.4.0.0. It is now possible to run Azureus using GCJ, thus performing as native code and considered fully free software as it no longer depends on a proprietary virtual machine."

I call BS. Any reference at all that *any* of the information in the section above even remotely is true?

gcj "better" than sun jvm = false : check

native code faster than vm = false : check (sun's jvm jit compile code ~= native code anyway)

et cetera /Anders 85.228.103.19 16:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Native GCJ Azureus is not really faster than Sun's JIT/JVM Azureus... Both of which are noticeably laggier than a true native C/C++ application from the standpoint of GUI responsiveness.

[edit] Zudeo

The article Zudeo redirects to azureus, but isn't zudeo azureus 3.0? http://www.zudeo.com/az-web/app why is it (C) Azureus inc?~ Feureau 16:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there seems to be a bit of confusion about how Azureus, Azureus, Inc., and Zudeo are all related. Some of the core devs of the bittorrent client Azureus formed the company Azureus, Inc., which has recently released Zudeo, which is powered by Azureus. I've just created the Azureus, Inc. article and had Zudeo redirect there instead. This page may help clear some things up, but unfortunately being a wiki it is probably not a reliable source. -SpuriousQ 08:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] language/description

would it be possible to edit this page to describe what azureus actually does in plain, non-techie, layman's english? i checked out this page in order to learn what one can do with the program (i.e. download movies/tv shows, share music, etc.) and since i don't know what BitTorrent or any of those other terms mean, i caame away with no clearer understanding.

Wikipedia is not a HOWTO guide, unfortunately. Check the program's official site for this type of information. Jouster 14:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

No, Jouster, the anonymous poster has a point. He wasn't asking for a hotwo. The current intro to the article is rather technical.--345Kai 23:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] azureus most feature packed client?

Should it be mentioned in the article that according to the Comparison of BitTorrent software on wiki shows azureus to be the most feature packed? This has been said elsewhere. I think it is worth a mention in the feature section. And speaking of the feature section, its not very good at explaining much. Its kind of a collection of a couple disorganized features --Nytemunkey 19:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SafePeer Plugin

Any reason SafePeer isn't listed in the Plugins section? Ok to add it? 203.213.7.133 16:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

Do we have a credit for the artist of the Azerueus logo? I haven't been able to find a name. 203.213.7.133 16:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It's one Dylan Wreggelsworth, as said in the about box of Azureus.Leeisl 15:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Virtual machine

I removed the following:

and considered fully free software as it no longer depends on a virtual machine

it's unreferenced as although I'm not an expert are free software, I've never heard of using a virtual machine somehow making software not fully free. Free software and the GCJ article also make no mention of this supposed fact. I suspect whoever wrote this got confused. Depending on an unfree virtual machine like Sun's Java presemuably makes the software not 'fully' free. But depending on a virtual machine in itself doesn't. There are of course free Java VMs (whether Azureus supported any of them I don't know) Nil Einne 12:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

"and considered fully free software" is correct, but "as it no longer depends on a virtual machine" is not as GCJ is acting as the JVM. The point is that there was no free software JVM before GCJ. --Pmsyyz 22:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Aye, it's a slippery slope. Does a non-GPL BIOS then negate a claim of being free software? What about closed-source HDD or DVD firmware? Unless someone has a Stallman quote, I'm going to contend that the referenced concern over "free-ness" is a pretty small-minded view and doesn't deserve a place on WP. Jouster 15:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

This is clearly a non-issue. There is no such thing as a "public source CPU" which is logically the same thing as a JVM (the "real machine" versus the "virtual machine"). What CPU the program does or doesn't run on is not what makes software free and has no relationship as to whether the GPL applies. Every piece of software requires a computer to run on (GCJ itself is running on a non-free CPU) and if "free" meant you could only run it on hardware that cost you nothing, you could pile that free software in the corner but otherwise it would be "virtually" useless. -- S. Gartner ^talk 22:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Closing off

Does Azureus close off when my computer is shut off, or does it stay open? 24.76.173.213 22:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It stays on. So when you turn your computer back on check your share ratio - it will be BIG, making you look to your peers like a SHARESTUD!

[edit] Criticisms

I was amazed to find that Azureus has no criticisms section. Azureus is one of the most controversial popular clients. --NeF 11:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Were you so amazed that the shock prevented you from editing the article yourself by adding a section for criticisms (properly sourced, of course)? Ham Pastrami 04:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] v3 is not "free software "at all

The following sentence should be removed from the main page (or at least heavily amended), as it is mis-leading (I was mis-led enough to download and start to install the software).

"Released under the GNU General Public License, Azureus is free software."

This is no longer true for version 3 of the software.

Besides there being no mention of the GPL in the click-through license agreement, there is also the following paragraph, where the user agrees to not

"8.12 reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to discover the source code of the Azureus Platform or any part thereof, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation"

Kind of antithetical to what the GPL is all about, innit?

v2.5.0.4 still carries the GPL as it's licensing terms. Wikid3r3k 17:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as the same license also says that the "Azureus Application" is available under the GPL, and that the Azureus Application is part of the Azureus Platform, I'd say it's just the typical idiotic failure to understand the GPL that most warez kidz have when they go writing software. I expect this will be changed in the future if they still want to get into the distros. For now, it might be worth noting in the article, but I'd personally ignore it. Chris Cunningham 17:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

see http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Azureus_2_and_Zudeo#Is_it_still_GPL.3F --89.55.166.201 00:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

From the license upon install:

6.2 License Grant to Download.

Subject to your compliance with the terms and conditions set out in this Terms of Service, Azureus hereby grants to you a personal, limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, freely revocable license to use the Azureus Platform to download content from the Azureus Platform. The Azureus Application itself is provided to you under the terms of Version 2 of the GNU GPL.

to clarify the legalese in our licence. "azureus platform" refers to the site vuze.com, which is also embedded in azureus3 via a browser widget. So the licence states that you may use vuze.com, to download/upload content under these conditions and shouldn't reverse-engineer it etc. etc., whereas "azureus application" refers to the client you're downloading, which is GPLed. --89.55.168.185 14:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for noting your affiliation in the edit comment. The process for handling conflicts of interest is described at WP:COI. In a nutshell, persons affiliated with Azureus should not edit this article directly. Instead, they should propose changes here on the discussion page, and allow a disinterested editor to review and publish it. In keeping with that process, I'm reverting your edit to the main page, and posting it here. --Sacolcor 07:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Your proposed edit to that section was:

Through version 2.5.0.4, Azureus was distributed under the GNU General Public License (GPL). Beginning with the version 3 distribution, the license presented upon installation was replaced by the Vuze terms of service. It still states that the "Azureus Application" is available under the GPL, completing installation requires the user to agree to the terms of the "Azureus Platform", which include restrictions on use, reverse-engineering, and sublicensing. "Azureus Application" hereby refers to the downloaded client itself and thus Azureus, from the enduser perspective, whereas "Azureus Platform" refers to the content distribution web platform of vuze.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacolcor (talk • contribs) 07:03, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, there are two issues that need to be resolved in the above change:

By using the word 'hereby', it appears to be making a declaration on behalf of Azureus or its company. This is not the correct place to do that.
Even without that word, it appears to be providing an interpretation (as opposed to a description) of terms in a legal document. This really needs to come from a verifiable source; otherwise, it's best to just refer readers to the document itself. --Sacolcor 07:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Well the purpose of my edit was to dispel the FUD about the client being non-GPL/more restrictive than the GPL. Since Azureus embeds the vuze content platform this licence is the same you nod off when you sign onto the vuze.com page directly. The client itself is still available (as you can see in the source code for example) under the GPL, which is stated by the licence itself too. The original Licence chapter on the WP article was worded to indicate the contrary. Since i'm not a lawyer i cannot give you any authoritative source on the interpretation of the legalese but basically the spirit of the licence is as i said... mostly about the concent platform and not the application --89.55.167.94 23:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

If you'd like to provide the company's point of view on the issue, it would probably be legit for the company to put out a press release, which this article could then cite as such. Incidentally, the likely source of much of this controversy is that the GPL does not, I believe, permit the co-mingling of GPL and non-GPL content, which appears to be what you're suggesting Azureus is doing. It would add value to this article if someone could find a independently published analysis of this point. --Sacolcor 21:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

"License" edited : I have removed all the "explanations" about what the Vuze-interface is as that has nothing to do with the subject : the license .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.182.253 (talk) 13:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Difference?

I've heard people say that azureus is better than the regular bittorrent and that theres a difference between the two. So I was just wondering what that difference was and why is it better? Thanks -- Vdub49 22:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Read the article. Everything about the program is in it: The interface, the method of transfer, etc. --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 01:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's with this Vuze interface

Just wondering why there is no mention of the new "Vuze" interface (Vuze Client according to Azureus website) which apparently is bundled with today's download of Azureus. I downloaded Azureus back when it was v2.4 and am now at v3.0.4.2 thanks to their automatic updates-via-torrent, but that never included any update to the GUI.

I got my friend to download the latest Azureus from the web and this horrible porn-filled interface comes up in it. What happened to Azureus, and why can't you download it without this ugly new interface.

And why is their no mention of the bundling of the Vuze interface?? Donama (talk) 23:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

uhmmm... there is no porn on vuze. So i suggest you refrain from making inaccurate statements. And see [1] --89.55.202.109 (talk) 09:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you -- that was really helpful. No not porn; just pictures of stuff that looked porny/adsy and I didn't look carefully before uninstalling. Donama (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Incomprehensible

For a lay person, the opening of this article is especially unclear. I came to this page to learn what Azureus is/does, and having read all of the article, I have a vague understanding. In an encyclopedia, it is very important that the opening be a very clear description in lay terms of what the subject actually is, and then you can go into more technical specifications. I'm even going to link client to see if that will help me understand - the word used in that way should definitely link. Someone with expertise, please rewrite the first sentence assuming little or no knowledge of computer programming. Thanks! Bruxism (talk) 17:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

How is it now?--Theymos (talk) 02:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Azureus.com

A note on the site now states that Azureus.com is now under the control of the azureus team, previously it was owned by some I guess some squatters who charged people for downloading, is this worth of a mention? has it changed? (i run it under Ubuntu and can just add from the repositories rather than downloading from the site)

Also why no mention of safepeer plugin - seems like it's the most important plugin to use if you are downloading copyrighted material, which i guess a few people using Azureus may be doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.9.37 (talk) 11:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Azureus Vuze – now called Vuze

Azureus will be known as Vuze. As of version 5.0.5.3 Beta 36, the software is known simply as Vuze, and the splash screen says "formerly Azureus". So this article should be moved and merged with the article Vuze once the final version is released (I think very soon). ---Majestic- (talk) 15:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)