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[edit] Genre

User Axley seems intent on changing the genre to either Josei or Shojo. We've been pretty much going on the fact that Azumanga was originally published in Dengeki Daioh, a Seinen magazine, when deciding the genre, but I can see an argument for Josei. Seinen is pretty broad, so it can cover it fine, but I dont know if Josei would fit it better. Any thoughts? - Omnisentry 00:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm not really sure but I'm a male and I enjoy the Anime, so it really a series directed to girls? Black Mesa 13:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nothing to discuss

There's nothing really to discuss here, Azumanga Daioh is a seinen manga because its serialized in a seinen magazine. - ChuChu 14:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I also made similar argument on the talk page for Yotsuba&!, which I suppose I'll just repurpose and repost here:
At the same time, it's serialized in Dengeki Daioh, a magazine aimed squarely at that (Seinen) demographic. While its plot and character designs are neither violent nor (generally) sexualized, the point has been raised that in many ways, (Azumanga Daioh) is about nostalgia. So although it might not feature what are typically considered the hallmarks of "traditional" seinen manga, it seems nevertheless to fit the bill. (Also, try and keep separate the notions of "demographic" and "genre." Just because it doesn't fit the same genre as certain other manga doesn't mean it isn't targeted at the same demographic.)
--Julian Grybowski 15:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gym teacher's love life?

I can't find the final episode so I was just wondering if the gym teacher finally got a boyfriend at the end of the manga/anime. And...i don't even want to know what she said when she was drunk.

No, she didn't. Minamo's romantic story arc never extended beyond a few mentions. (Not in the anime, anyway.) Fyrius 11:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
oh....so in the manga it's different? Gotta find the manga then. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.94.57.226 (talk) 20:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
I don't know how that ended up in the manga, I have only bits and pieces of it that I found on the Web. But overall, like with any show, there definitely are small differences between the anime and the manga. (Like Chiyo and Osaka working for a fast-food place for a while in the manga.) Fyrius 18:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I have read every volume of the manga and Nyamo never gets a boyfriend. --Comtemporaryaxa 16:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

In the manga Nyamo's love life exists mostly as a source of jokes based on Yukari ribbing her about it. The most detail we get on the subject in the anime is in episode 20, where she is trying to decide whether to accept a meeting for an omiai. In the same episode, a friend of hers attempts to arrange a double-date involving her, Yukari and two men from her office, but Yukari's behavior ruins it and they end up getting drunk among the cherry trees. The anime suggests that Nyamo has had some relationships in the past, none of which have worked out as she intended. What Nyamo said while drunk was evidently a very, very detailed set of instructions on how to have sex; some fans have even suggested it included some advice for lesbians (usually the ones advocating for the Nyakari pairing, which is popular in the fandom but has little to no canon support).Michael Hopcroft 08:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

In the Yukari/Nyamo character song "Otona wo Yasunde Dekakeyou" they go as far as to evalutate their chances of finding romance. They don't think that there is much chance of eother of them finding a boyfriend. ...I just checked they actually say: "If one of us has a boyfriend / What do we do? / I don't think there'll be much difference / We'll be near for a long time / And somehow playing togeter" Probably irrelivent then Oops. --Tyrfing (talk) 23:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Popular cultural references

I am cleaning this article up and the Popular cultural references section is really character based. Since each major character has her(or his) own article, I am moving all of these trivial notes to their own articles. --Squilibob 00:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The Important Places section, something I worked very hard on, seems to be gone. Was this a deliberate choice on your part, and if so could you explain your reasoning? Michael Hopcroft 09:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
They have been moved to each character's article. They were violating Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles and possibly some others. --Squilibob 10:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

Since the article has been stable for quite some time now after the past discussions over trivia, I have decided to take this article to a peer review. Suggestions would be appreciated. --Squilibob 03:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GAC?

Anyone thinks it's about time to attempt GAC? It seems pretty well written, broad, well sourced and NPOV to me.--SidiLemine 11:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to run it through another Peer Review first. --Squilibob 10:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blank space

I found a hitch in the "List of characters" section. Under minor Characters, after Chiyo's grade school friends there is a big gap, I can't seem to fix it, Can someone fix it? I am not too good with HTML yet. Catgaard 14:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)Catgaard

[edit] waka laka for osaka

someone please add this somehow for it's notable cult following. "MV featuring Osaka from Azumanga Daioh, and the music from DDR (Waka Laka)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZszIAPuQsA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.208.125.94 (talk • contribs).

Where is the newspaper or magazine article that desribes this substantial cult following then? Even Wikipe-tan and I are more notable by Wikipedia's standards since we were covered by a Chinese weekly. :-) The video is fun though, but is better enjoyed in full quality at http://www.animemusicvideos.org. If people want Azumanga AMVs they can enter through Anime Music Video search by anime and then sort by star rating and select "Fun" as a category. There are literally thousands of videos to wade through. --GunnarRene 23:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Its a fun AMV, and one of my favorite, but its not notable or verifiable enough to put in this article. Even if it was, it would fit in an article on AMVs, not here. —Dark•Shikari[T] 18:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You have never heard of the Waka Laka for Osaka? Wow......that is a first for me.

[edit] Is this fanart

Dark Shikari has removed this image from the article stating that it is a fanart image and therefore is not fair use and is a copyvio. Honestly, if you like an image better then just say "I like the old image better" in your edit comment. I'm adding a few svg logos to other anime articles and don't want anyone to set a precedent that they are fanart just because they are vector traced instead of raster. They are still screenshots either way and both a PNG and SVG file are as equally unaltered from the original production. There's no way that a 19Kb file at the infobox's size resolution (300px) is a copyright violation. The current picture should stay as it is a valid replacement (it was never removed from the article) but I hope that other logos on other anime articles aren't going to be removed as a copyvio, that's ridiculous - anyone should be allowed to crop and vector a logo to have small file sizes. --Squilibob 05:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I was under the impression that any artist's impression by someone other than the official company; i.e. someone who does not own the copyright, is technically illegal, and while such laws are basically never enforced, it cannot be allowed on Wikipedia. —Dark•Shikari[T] 13:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Why doesn't someone go into the first episode or opening and snag a screenshot of the logo from there instead??? --Addict 2006 05:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • That would be quite possible. I'll do that when I get home, since I've got the DVDs which should be pretty high quality. —Dark•Shikari[T] 16:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to comment: No, a faithful vectoring is not fan art any more than a scan from a comic book is fan art. But we should not vector fair use images in general - except for perhaps some special pictograms like the handicap symbol. Fair use images should usually be *low resolution*. A vector can be made "low resolution" bu removing points from it I guess, but usually a vector image can be used at any size with perfect representation and is thus bad for fair use. --GunnarRene 16:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Ah yeah, that is true. Fair use images are supposed to be relatively low resolution, and by definition a vector image cannot be low resolution. —Dark•Shikari[T] 11:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] /azu/?

As there is one fansite in the links section already, I thought it might be a good idea to add a link to another, less static and perhaps more interesting Azumanga fan community (no offense to the owners of Wonderland). /azu/ is a very active image board about Azumanga Daioh, and to a lesser extent the works of Azuma in general. I think many Azumanga fans would be happy to find out about it. Fyrius 14:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Concur'd --201.254.26.149 15:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Though I frequent the site (under the same username), I'm not sure it fits the WP:EL guidelines. —Dark•Shikari[T] 01:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
As far as I see from a quick glance through the guidelines, the only objection would be the line about "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET." as number 10 in WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. But since that's more of a general guideline than a direct prohibition (it's "normally to be avoided", but it doesn't seem to be disallowed), I say we migt as well give it a try and see if anyone objects. Fyrius 12:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fanware games

I added mention of several fan-made Azumanga games a while back. It was deleted two days later, for reasons I can't understand. If you can mention the professionally made games, what makes them different from the fan created ones? I had "notable" waved at me, but as that page states, that applies to topics, and explicitly not to article content. In the absence of anything like actual reasoning for not including it, I've put it back; I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to know about these fun little things. Anyone got any objections? YourMessageHere 21:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Fan games are not important enough to warrant mention in an article unless there is something unique or significant about them. --tjstrf talk 00:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Why are they not important enough? By that logic, the mahjong game shouldn't be mentioned either, there's nothing unique or significant about that, unless you judge being sold as a criterion for making it more significant, which seems silly. Most of the fanware stuff is derivative and far from unique, I'll agree, but The Osaka Simulator is something I've never seen the like of anywhere else (though I'm no expert). YourMessageHere 07:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Osaka with asperger's?

After watching the anime and reading the manga It has come to my attention that many of the girls represent different types of autism and pyschological disorders, the most obvious being Osaka who exhibits many of the traits of a child with Asperger's. I myself was diagnosed with the symptom a few years back and I can strongly identify with her character but I ask, should this be mentioned in the article?

There was previously a long discussion about Sakaki having Asperger Syndrome which you may wish to read at Talk:Azumanga_Daioh/archive_02#Sakaki_having_Asperger_Syndrome. Unless we can get a proper citation from a reliable source then we should not be mentioning this in the article. It may not be what the author intented and is really just speculation. --Squilibob 10:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be acceptable to say things like "some people with Aspergers find they identify with Osaka's character traits", however I feel sure someone will then put a "citation needed" tag on so you would need to think about how to back up such a statement without violating the "no original research" rule! Personally though I think that very many marginalised groups, non-conformists, day-dreamers, otakus, etc., probably identify with Osaka so it would be better to make a more wide-ranging paragraph about Osaka's impact on fans Samatarou 19:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Defining yonkoma

Given the wikilink to yonkoma, do we really need to define it? It seems both redundant and off the subject, especially in the lead. —Quasirandom 20:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It could possibly be shortened. Just mentioning that yonkoma have a vertical layout would be enough. Something like "Azumanga Daioh was drawn as a series of vertical four-panel comic strips called yonkoma." --Squilibob 05:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Handling of character descriptions

Since this is the main page, I'll bring this up here. Between the Characters section, List of Azumanga Daioh characters, and the individual character pages, there's three different descriptions of the eight main characters -- a short summary, a longer summary, and a full version. In most cases, the three are out of sync, with different information and wording, as different editors work on them, resulting in redundency and confusion. In short, taking the suite of as a whole, we've got some organizational issues.

I'm willing to tackle this, but I've got two ideas on how to handle it. The first is to handle it the way Bleach (manga)/Characters in Bleach does, by deleting the longer summaries on List of Azumanga Daioh characters where fuller character articles exist, leaving just the wikilink. The second is to delete the shorter summary versions here in the Characters section and replace the "Further information" with a "Main article" cross-reference. Any opinions on which would be better? —Quasirandom 22:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The Bleach way sounds good. --Squilibob 04:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Unless someone chimes in otherwise, then, I'll work on that after a prosework pass on the individual character pages. (Tightening up sentences, streamlining paragraph organization, that sort of stuff.) —Quasirandom 00:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on the article. With your edits the GA nomination is looking much better. --Squilibob 05:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Yer welcome. Got a couple more to do, though. And, well, see the discussion on Osaka's Talk page -- I'm not at all convinced most of the characters should be separate articles. —Quasirandom 14:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I would be inclined to have a one sentence description of each character on the main page, and put everything else on the "Azumanga characters" page, with the exception of Osaka and Chiyo-chan who deserve their own proper pages complete with discussion of cultural impact etc. If a character page is no more than a synopsis of what that character did in the series I don't think it deserves its own page. My position is that Azumanga Daioh led to three iconic characters being added to anime culture: Osaka, Chiyo-chan, and Chiyo's father (ちよ父 in Japanese, ie. the yellow cat), i.e. these three get referenced and imaged independently of the series in all sorts of contexts, and between them they are responsible for the bulk of Azumanga Daoih's cultural impact. (I'm agnostic on whether its practicable to have a page about the yellow cat though, given that we never even learn its name! However it should certainly feature on the characters page.) Samatarou 19:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
That's my inclination too, speaking after having done a prosework pass on a couple of the character pages you suggest deleting, with a growing sense that they don't deserve separate articles. I've put working on the others on hold till we get a consensus here on this. Tho' maybe what I ought to do is formally propose merges, with all the templates. —Quasirandom 19:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Successful good article nomination

I am glad to say that this article which was nominated for good article status has succeeded. This is how the article, as of July 16, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The article is well written with correct grammar and spellling and follows the manual of style guidelines.
2. Factually accurate?: All sections are well sourced with citations to references. More sources are always better and if more can be added, then please do.
3. Broad in coverage?: Article is through in all areas and addresses each part of the topic properly.
4. Neutral point of view?: Written in an neutral point of view.
5. Article stability? No edit wars going on and very little vandalism.
6. Images?: All images are properly licensed with valid fair use claims.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status. — --Hdt83 Chat 07:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Azuma(nga Daioh) + Toyota?

Why do both of the teachers drive marked and correctly-badged Toyotas? Yukari has a 9th gen Corolla and Nyamo a 1st gen Vitz. Anyone know whether Toyota sponsored this, or whether Azuma Kiyohiko has any link to Toyota? The van on their second summer has an upside-down Mercedes logo, suggesting that it is not supposed to be a 'Benz. Luigi6138 20:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly what Japanese law has to say about this, but in general, I've seen many correctly-branded items in anime and manga (along with some very obvious parody brands). It could simply be that Japanese companies are not so litigious when it comes to the use of their logo as long as it isn't in an inappropriate manner, though I do not have any firsthand knowledge in that regard. --Julian Grybowski 03:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, if Toyota was really sponsoring AzuDai, then the V-class Merc that you mentioned would be a Toyota Hiace or similar. --FDaihatsu 10:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)