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Age

Are we seriously going to get into a reverty war over Azula's age? Someone please bring forth the known information as provided by the show or Nickelodeon.

We don't know what her age is.

I'm all for not starting an edit war. We do know what her age is: the newly updated Nick.com Avatar website lists Azula as being 14 years old. Raceberry 05:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

But the creators of the show said she was the same age as Sokka and he's 15.

You got a reference about that?
They allegedly said that at a convention a year ago. The official website empirically states that she is 14. The website has the fact that it's more recent and also the fact that it's documented on its side. Unless Mike or Bryan comes out with an interview that specifically says, "Azula is 15," then we have to assume that the official site is correct. Raceberry 00:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree. The Nick.com website is an official, published Avatar: The Last Airbender source and should take final precedence on the issue. Prototime 06:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Seems some lovely soul has decided to start this again...would that person care to explain why we should not go with Nick.com, the authoritative source for Avatar?--Fyre2387 17:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm The Dragon's Daughter, and for the sake of love, update Azula's page. Her age now says 14 (possibly 15), as I can see this may come to be a dividing issue and some people still believe she is 15. So to make everyone happy, I did that.

And I undid itH2P 03:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand...there is verification that she is 14. To quote from WP:Verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is thus verifiability, not truth." This means, then, that since we have a published, authoritative source that says she is 14, that's what the article should say, unless a published, authoritative source (or the show itself, I’d suppose) says otherwise. Some comments at a comic-con, even from he show's creators, do not superceed a published source.--Fyre2387 04:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC).

This is countmall (the guy fighting an editor about mai's pic), I think we can agree that Azula could possibly be 14 comming up on her 15th birthday.

No, we can't. She's 14, period. That's what the source says, that's what goes in.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record...Nick.com is the offical source. For the purposes of Wikipedia, it CAN'T be wrong.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 05:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I say she's 15. Think about it: Zuko was 14 when he was bannished. In Season Two, he says it has been three years. That means that now he's 17. Azula is two years younger than Zuko, making her 15. Happy? User:Hot Firebender Princess 17:20, 15, November 2006

Maybe you don't understand. Nick.com, an official source, says she is fourteen. Until that changes, that is what we go by. That's how Wikipedia works. Information is posted when it is verifiable, and it has been confirmed that she is 14, so she is. -Exhibit A 22:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The show itself is *also* an official source. Did Zuko say in Season Two that (1) he was exiled at 14 and (2) it has been three years? If so then he would need to have aged three years, thus he is 17 and Azula 15. I don't remember what the show says, but continuity errors aren't exactly impossible ... I'd take what the show says over what nick.com says. But that's just me. At the least if there is a contradiction between nick.com and the show, it should be noted. Gothic Chevalier 23:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

But the nick.com page is a year old. Thus she is 15. I should know. Look at my username. She's my namesake. user: Hot Firebender Princess

Until someone finds a source that says that she's 15, the Nick.com one is the one that's going to be used, even though it's older... Perhaps a notation would be better than constantly editing it? Actually, for all we know, Azula could still be 14. Maybe her birthday falls months after Zuko's exile...
TakaraLioness 01:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I am forced to scoff at your argument, Hot Firebender Princess. The Nick.com page on the show is almost two years old. Does that mean the characters have aged two years in that time? NO, BECAUSE TIME DOESN'T PASS THE SAME WAY IN THE SHOW! In case the reference to Aang having to achieve his destiny by "Summer's end", and the message being given to him in the MIDDLE OF WINTER doesn't make it clear. Stop trying to apply math. Cite a verifiable source that says she's fifteen, and THEN you can change it. I don't care how big a fan of Azula you are, you can't prove that statement no matter how much you believe you're right. STOP CHANGING IT! Y BCZ 02:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright. If I do find a good source that says she's 15, can we change it? user: Hot Firebender Princess

I would say yes, if the source is legit...
TakaraLioness 23:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you think that this would be a good idea, but why don't we just not put what age she is at all? If not, can't we just put that she is 14-15 years old? User:ZukosGal14

No, because we have an official source telling us she's 14. Bagpipeturtle 05:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Iroh

In relation to Iroh being superior to Azula, I'd say that after seeing him fight groups of people on his own before, I doubt age is a problem. His problem comes in never expecting an attack being that he is either too carefree of a person (hot springs capture) or that he is simply careless due to the fact that he is constantly observing everything (attack during The Chase). I do believe that in a one on one bout, Iroh would easily take on Azula due to his experience and wisdom. H2P 04:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I 100% agree!

I don't. So far Iroh has yet to use Blue Fire.

I agree as well. In a fight, the person who punches harder doesn't always win; typically its the one who has better skill and technique. I would have to argue that that would be Iroh in this case.--TriPredRavage 03:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Then again, you can't really make judgements of either of them since we really don't know Azula's or Iroh's total skill. However what we do know is that Azula is capable (and practicly did) beat the Avatar in battle (The Drill) The fact is, we really don't know if Iroh is better then Azula. We do know however is that Azula does have a better mastery of Fire the Iroh, as evident by her Blue Flames.

Sign your posts. Iroh might be able to bend blue fire but chooses not to as he rarely uses his firebending anyway. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Though he is powerful, Iroh is also passive. I agree that Iroh would be able to beat Azula in a 1 v 1 fair fight. Xenero 01:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't Believe Azula has "better control over flames". In firebending, emotion plays a key role in creating fire, and Azula is easily made angry. Her power comes from her adolescent hissy fits, and I would imagine that they come with some weaknesses as well. I strongly doubt that just because she makes a different color of fire, she is the strongest firebender to ever live. Even when aang is in the avatar state, his flames are red and orange (as in winter solstice). Azula's technique must have some detrimental effect that other firebenders are reluctant to embrace (the cost of having no heart, perhaps?)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.61.200.253 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

I think we've all agree that iroh could kick just about anybodys ass considering how he buffed up. Iroh seems ready to take on anyone now, due to the betrayal of Zuko (which might have have been the switch to get his aggresion)[[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff 14:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 9:39, 18 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

azula's first appearance

on toph's page it specifies her first appearance is in a vision and and her first real appearance is later. shouldnt azula's then say that she first appeared for a brief moment in a flashback, but then later really in the series? or is that not the same thing? --Skuj 10:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Azula's first appearence was in the first episode. She is the representing character for Fire in the opening sequence,

Azul

Azul also means blue in portuguese so I put it down in Trivia.

The is the count. La is feminine for the in spanish. azul-a, azu-la!

It is clearly stated in the show that Azula is named after her grandfather, Azulon. I think this bit of trivia is somewhat misleading if we are to believe what the show tells us. I understand the conection between "azul" and "blue fire" but it would mean that the producers of the show named Azulon after Azula and her blue fire, instead of vice versa.ManniTheUnCanny 07:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Honestly I wouldn't doubt that they didn't name Azulon after Azula when writing the script. While writing the script they wanted to show that Azula was the prodigy or the more noble so they named her grandfather Azulon to show just that. IN THE SHOW, Azula is named after Azulon. However, when writing the script it could be the other way around. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 08:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, i'd have little doubt that the writers created Azulon's name based on Azula's. Just seems logical, both because of the meaning of her name and the simple fact that she's a central character, where as Azulon is more of a peripheral one. In-universe, she's named after her grandfather, but the relevant guidelines call for articles about fiction to be in a real life perspective.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

HEY

Daughter to Fire Lord Ozai, Azula is Zuko's 14-year-old younger sister. She's a lot like the typical "Little Miss Perfect" younger sister, only she's also a deadly Firebender. Azula has always been the favorite of the Fire Lord, and of everyone around her for that matter – everyone but Zuko, that is. Azula excels at her royal role – she is extremely gracious, smooth and put-together. An ideal Princess, she is also cold, calculating, and precise. Zuko will tell you that Azula is "lucky." Things just tend to turn out in her favor.

I keep adding this and someone deletes it. WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

HEY, I guess no one taught you what plagarism is. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 05:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Come to think about it, the fire lord may like her better, but Zuko was actually the prefered one. Azula's fans include fire lored Ozai, and Ty Lee, while zuko's fans include Ursa, Iroh, probably Lu Ten, and Mai. Azulon is undecided, he called one of his grandkids` show a pomp, (show fit for a king) but it is unclear which one he directed it to.

Confused

I don't think the last piece of trivia is worth mentioning, yet. Just because it's in some Chineses cultures doesn't mean it aplies to the show. Also, Katara doesn't have bangs, yet we haven't added that. So unless something comes up in the show that proves me otherwise, I don't think it should be there. Momoroxmysoxoff 13:58 August 28

By the way, the trivia was "In chinese culture, bangs were a sign of being a singal virgen women. It's intresting to note that Azula has none, but she may not be bound to such customs due to her high social class." Those arent the exact words, but thats what it basically said.


Azula has bangs! Its those two locks of hair on either side of her face. Katara has bangs, though they are in the form of "hair loopies". Toph has bangs. -DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 04:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move

See Talk: Uncle Iroh#Requested move to discuss. Please do not discuss the move here, follow the link.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hair Color

Since it seems we always have something new to edit war over...start discussing here. Is Azula's hair brown or black?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


I think it's safe to call it brown. For reference, see: http://www.firebender.com/e3/images/343.jpg --tylonius 18:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

That's a poor reference for calling it brown Tylonius, it's clearly black in that picture compared to Ty Lee's. Consider [1], [2], [3]. Granted it's not as dark as Mai's, but it's black just like her Mother's, Father's, and Brother's. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I know Azula does has dark hair, but she doesn't have black. Zuko's hair is black. Mai's is black. And no offense or anything, but the pictures you have are darker in light, so of course her hair will appear darker. She doesn't have lighter brown like Ty Lee, but it isn't black. I know people (like my sister) who have dark hair, but it isn't black, it's just a darker shad of brown. Couldn't we say it's dark brown? Momoroxmysoxoff October 21, 20:00 2006
I agree 164.106.59.94 13:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Genetically speaking brown hair is possible if both parents had black hair (I think) so I'd agree with Dark Brown if for nothing else but to end this silly war and move on. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 14:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
To H2P: It's genetically possible. Both of my parents have black hair and I have brown. Momoroxmysoxoff 21:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

New image

I've been thinking for a while we could use a new image of Azula for this article. I did some digging for one, so, any one object to using this one?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the current one more. Both images do what they're supposed to-provide a good profile shot. However, the current one just looks nicer in my mind, and seems to illustrate her normal demeanor better. I looked on avatarspirit some more, and came up with the following:

[4] [5] [6]

I like the first one best, personally. Y BCZ 00:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

...I like the current one. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the current one user: ZukosGal14

I like BCz seond one

I have uploaded a new image for azula. Let me know what you think. User: bbcj 11:57 p.m, 22 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.93.5 (talk)

HEY

Alright, I noticed that Azula is listed as a Firebending master. Isn't that false considering she was training to master lightning - as in she hasn't mastered it yet? Ture, she was called a prodigy, but she had trainers in the Avatar State, indecating that she hasn't actually mastered Firebending, otherwise they wouldn't be there. Xepeyon 02:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Azula may have been training, but it seems that she's at least among the top three Firebenders we've seen so far, the others being Firebending masters themselves-Iroh and Jeong Jeong. Of those two, only Iroh has displayed a technique (redirecting lightning) that Azula has not. Also, think back to the Agni Kai between Zhao and Zuko. Zhao was dubbed a Firebending master, even though he had left Jeong Jeong's teaching before it was completed. Zuko has managed to defeat Zhao twice, and Azula has shown that she is more skilled than Zuko on two separate occasions. Now, it should be noted that "mastery" does not necessarily correlate with skill (Zuko is not a master, yet he defeated Zhao). Technically we don't really know if Azula is truly a master or not-she could have completed her training with Lo and Li by this time. The fact that she's the only one to have used blue Firebending and Lightning in combat, however, indicates that she is on level with Firebending masters at the least. Y BCZ 03:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Being called a “Master” doesn’t mean you have no more to learn. Its just a title you can receive, there is always room to get better.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, after Masters you can still earn your Doctorate. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 23:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
In accord with the issue of Azula's title, I request that it be changed from Firebending Master to Firebender. Y BCZ summed it up: Technically we don't really know if Azula is truly a master or not-she could have completed her training with Lo and Li by this time. The fact that she's the only one to have used blue Firebending and Lightning in combat, however, indicates that she is on level with Firebending masters at the least.

However powerful, we don't know if she's a master, and saying so without proof is speculation. The only thing indisputably confirmed is that she is a Firebender. Hence, I request the change. 74.167.170.215 04:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Despite my personal belief that she is, in fact, a Firebending Master, we've got nothing to support this belief (She's never been addressed as a Master, or even referred to herself as a such). Without a source, it's speculation. JBK405 04:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Static or Dynamic

Is Azula a static character or a dynamic characer? Richardkselby 04:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Static. Unless for some reason her personality is altered in season three. Momoroxmysoxoff 21:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

and i think that nick will probabley keep her as staticRichardkselby 03:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Start-class?

Okay, we seriously need to re-evaluate a lot of the Avatar articles. I think Azula is higher than start-class, at least B-class. It's the same with Aang and Zuko (and a few others). Bagpipeturtle 04:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Your definitely right. Azula has an article worthy of B-Class with all its info and formal tone. And she has more references than any other character. GeneralIroh (Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.) 20:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Relationship with Lu Ten

Why is that paragraph even there? The paragraph itself says that we don't know how Azula felt about Lu Ten (or vice-verca), nor have we seen any interaction between the two. I would delete it myself, but I believe it should be discussed here first. Objections to the sections' deletion? (11987 14:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC))

That's the family section of Azula's article. Lu Ten is part of her family. So yeah, objection. Y BCZ 17:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is the family section. But if we were to use that excuse, then where is Azulon? Azulon has interacted more with Azula (which is still not alot; she just demonstarted some Firebending for him), and her name comes from Azulon. Yet he is not there, while Lu Ten, a person who has not interacted with her at all, nor share any sort of connection (besides being related), is there. Lu Ten should be deleted. (11987 01:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC))

From what the viewer can see, she holds no regard to Lu Ten whatsoever. She also was not affected by her cousin's death. It kind of shows more of her sadistic attitude. However, I do agree with you that Azulon should be on her page too. Momoroxmysoxoff 20:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what your saying. Though that should be mentioned in his section. Ok, I agree it should stay, but Azulon should be added. (11987 08:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

Fictional psychopath

"Her sadistic aggression and lack of remorse suggest that Azula could be a sociopath"

The psychopathy page states that sociopathy is caused by social conflicts or other outside sources rather than being born with it. From her apparent juvenile delinquency, I've concluded that Azula is more of a psychopath rather than a sociopath, though this might not be likely due to her lack of impulsive behaviors. What's your opinion? Cat's Tuxedo 12:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed she is a psycho. Bluefire princess 11:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Umm...psycho seems so strong...I mean she just wants power, glory, and the approval of everyone beyond the level of Zuko. I mean it's not like she would kill someone to accomplish this...wait... Okay how about 'crazy teenage bitch from hell who's time of the month would cause bad luck and misfortune to anyone who crosses her'? This just seems nicer.[[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff 14:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 9:57, 18 October 2007

Considering I just saw 0ct. 19ths new episode, I think she's depressed subconsciously and a sociopath. Of course first and for most, she's a 'crazy teenage bitch from hell who's time of the month would cause bad luck and misfortune to anyone who crosses her'. Just saying...[[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff 01:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)]] 20:48, 19 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

Betrayal

I know this is a bit obvious, but i think Azula is going to kill Zuko to fulfill her father's request. Wait, what i'm trying to say is even if zuko had never been banished, i think she would kill him secretly to inherit the throne. by the way azula is my least favorite character and zukos my favorite. RedwallFreak305 (April 27, 2007, 10:17 pm)

This is not the place to discuss this. Go to a forum. Bagpipeturtle 23:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with you, discussion of actual events in the series on talk pages is deprecated, but that was a bit blunt, wasn't it? --Kizor 00:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Just getting the point across, sorry if I seemed rude, but this isn't the place for that kind of discussion. Bagpipeturtle 01:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

He's right though, and i can't wait. She a Lesbian. B.Lax 17:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course! Lesbian... it's all making sense now. And here I thought she was just different, but it's more than that... I ain't gonna say nothin' more though, forums and all that.[[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff 15:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 10:04, 18 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

Aang Relationship

Sorry, i guess i didn't realize what this page was for, plus i'm not old enough to get into a forum...anyway why is Aang under the relationship section? The only time the two talk is in The Chase and that's just a short conversation. Besides that they just fight. We all know Azula wants to kill him. RedwallFreak305 (May 7, 2007, 4:40 pm) ps. for Hot Firebending Princess: AZULA IS HOT & CUTE

She might kill you to for saying that, and I agree that is pretty much the extent of their relationship. Bluefire princess 18:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

lol dude i wuz kidding :) RedwallFreak305 (June 9 2007, 10:04pm)

Fighting Style

Should Azula's unique fighting style be mentioned within the article? Her two finger attacks etc are like her trademark. (124.121.97.139 14:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC))

Yes I do. Bluefire princess 21:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)