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[edit] Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri

Hello Azgs, I would suggest that the article that remains is Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri, the original one, since many people have worked on it and there is a better chance that it is NPOV. I understand that you wrote the article, Syed Mohammad of Jaunpur, with NPOV in mind, and I don't know anything about the topic to say if it is or not, but one statement regarding all muslims should accept him as the Mahdi was not NPOV. I understand how that can come about even when trying to NPOV, as I am Bahá'í and there are times when things that are obvious to me come out, etc. But regardless I think you should work in moving any information that is Syed Mohammad of Jaunpur and not in Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri to that original article. Hope this makes sense.-- Jeff3000 13:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay Jeff3000, I got it. First, thanks for your prompt reply. Then, with regards and due respect to your feelings, what mentioned that way, who believed, not believed, whatever, is not my personal presentation. That is what went in history. Shall we not put the past as it passed, without tampering with the accounts of events as given in the records.
Still, since the events and those statements are already present elsewhere, we can remove those facts safely, those interested in the historical accuracy and study can get it from the original sources whenever they like. Lets begin the work of moving and merging the pages as a wikipedia team. Azgs 19:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Azgs, I don't really understand what you mean. When you mean accounts and records, do you mean actual historical records, or wikipedia edit historys? If it's the former, historical statements should be stated, and if there is a dispute to what really happened, multiple views can be made. In regards to belief, you can just state that Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri believed this or that. I don't know anything about the topic at all, actually I don't even remember how I got to that page, so I don't think I can be much help in this process. Once you've moved stuff from the new article into the old article, just make a redirect in the new article. If you don't know how to do that I can help out in that manner. -- Jeff3000 19:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanx again Jeff3000, let us work over it, merge & get it redirected. Azgs 20:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri

Hi Azgs. I realize that Syed is a common spelling in the India area. My reasoning behind changing it is because Syed and Mohammad are from the Arabic language, and there is a standardized way of spelling Arabic words. Some words of Arabic origin have become commonplace in English, effectively becoming English, and the spellings were adopted long before any standard came out. These spellings came from earlier travellers and orientalists who created their own model for transliterating Arabic, models which were not even consistently followed among their own books. For example, the correct way to spell Mecca is Makkah, but "Mecca" is effectively English. This is the guideline for wikipedia: if at least 75% of sources use a particular transliteration, then wikipedia should use that form, otherwise the standardized form should be used. For the standard form see the manual of style. Since Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri is from India/Pakistan, and that area uses the spelling of "Syed", the article can be left that way. But I would encourage you whenever possible to use the standard transliteration of Arabic words, because the varying traditions currently practiced are the result of ignorance and disorganization. Thank God the early Muslims standardized the Arabic language, now we have a similar process to work on.

"Knowledge is a single point, but the ignorant have multiplied it." ~Hadith of Muhammad

Cuñado - Talk 16:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reliability of Sources

Hey there, the reason I wanted to remove those sites is because there is no way to see who they are or if their scholarship is accepted. I could find no information about who set up these sites, where they got their information and/or whose views they represent. That's why we need more scholarly books and articles that are peer-reviewed. Perhaps you could research these sites (And others, as there are so many being used in these kinds of sites) so that a user unfamiliar with this subject is presented with the most accurate information from reliable sources. Elijahmeeks 16:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Since you've brought this up, I've done an informal survey and noticed so many of the Islam-related articles quote a vast quantity of small websites that don't really source their information. They also rely too much, I think, on direct quotes (Especially Hadith) without paraphrasing information. I think this damages the scholarly credibility of the Islamic articles, especially since there are a number of good scholarly works on Islam that could be referenced (Though there is a danger with scholars of Islam being Orientalist). I wonder if you or anyone you know would be interested in working on this. I'm sure I sound shrill constantly saying, "Not scholarly!" and "Too many quotes, not enough info!", but my intentions are good. Elijahmeeks 15:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)