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203.54.9.202 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.26 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.57 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.75  (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.78 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.106 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.250 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.19 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.197 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.152 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.141 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.98 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.9 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.214 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.225  (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs) 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs)

[edit] Articles

[edit] Rejected RfA - mediation next step

[edit] A Y Arktos v. 203.54.*.*

[edit] Involved parties

AYArktos (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights)

Anon user editing from the following IPs (and more): 203.54.186.223 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.43 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.141 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.168  (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.169 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.174.100/ (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.206 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.174.12 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.127 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs) /203.54.186.96 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.128 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.202 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.26 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.57 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.75 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.78 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.106 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.250 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.19 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.197 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.152 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.141 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.98 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.9 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.214 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.225 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs) 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

I have notified at Talk:Gundagai, New South Wales and Talk:Murrumbidgee River. These talk pages are the most often frequented and are at the core of the request for arbitration.--A Y Arktos\talk 08:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Editor notified on talk page 203.54.9.43 (talk · contribs) --A Y Arktos\talk 09:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

(If not, then explain why that would be fruitless)

In addition to article talk page discussions responding to and addressing issues raised by user and by user's behaviour:

I feel mediation or other resolution mechanisms will not be appropriate for this dispute as this user ignored requests in the past when asked to modify behaviour.

[edit] Statement by A Y Arktos

An editor using a range of Telstra Internet Addresses has been editing for over a month on articles related to Gundagai, New South Wales (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). In June, this editor included into the Gundagai article, some information about the Dog on the Tuckerbox (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) to the effect that the statue of a dog commemorated a massacre.[1] After attempting to seek clarification and requesting citations,[2] [3] the material was moved to the talk page pending supply of citations from reliable sources.[4]

The editor had also introduced the same material into the article about the Hume Highway (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) in May.[5] The issue was raised at the Australian Wikipedians' Noticeboard, where it was agreed that standing on cite sources was reasonable, and other editors could also not find anything to support the assertions.[6]

The editor has made a number of assertions, mainly on the talk page of Gundagai, including attacking a number of editors for holding views that differ to his own. These include attacks on Grahamec (talk · contribs), [7] [8] Robertmyers (talk · contribs) [9] [10] [11] and on myself [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19], including accusations of stalking. [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25]

The editor has been extremely argumentative when requested to cite sources and in accepting that textual analysis to reference a massacre (with no reliable sources supporting this analysis or the massacre) is unacceptable. [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33]

While some contributions may be useful, others are plain nonsense and also inappropriate 1st person comments, well after the editor has been asked not to include 1st person comments in articles.[34]

The editor steadfastly refuses to follow any talk page etiquette: will not sign or format entries and makes confusing insertions into the midst of comments by others. It is very hard to follow. I have given up reformatting and adding unsigned tags. However, an example of what can happen is the addition of a comment by (with signature of) User:Adam Carr which was inserted into a talk page discussion on a page to which Adam Carr had never contributed - but it was not at all clear from the formatting.[35] (I have no reason to believe the editor is Adam Carr editing without being signed in!) The contribution of that particular edit to the discussion about the article was also not clear.

I would like the Arbcom to consider whether semi-protection from time to time is an option for pages, such as Gundagai, Murrumbidgee River, and Hume Highway (including their talk pages), to prevent personal attacks and inappropriate edits? Similarly, as the editor evades blocks by relogging in, are range blocks appropriate? For examples of avoiding blocks see:

  1. 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs · block log) resumed activity within 40 minutes as 203.54.186.127 (talk · contribs)
  2. 203.54.186.127 (talk · contribs · block log) resumed activity in less than 1 hour as 203.54.174.12 (talk · contribs)
  3. 203.54.174.12 (talk · contribs · block log) resumed activity as 203.54.9.206  (talk · contribs) within 2 1/2 hours despite 48 hour block
  4. 203.54.9.169 (talk · contribs · block log) (resumed after block expired)

I am also seeking a ruling that disruptive edits and edits adding information unsupported by reliable sources from the IP ranges can be reverted without further discussion. Relevant IP ranges are:

  1. 203.54.9.0/24 - 256 addresses ranging from 203.54.9.0 thru 203.54.9.255
  2. 203.54.186.0/24 - 256 addresses ranging from 203.54.186.0 thru 203.54.186.255
  3. 203.54.174.0/24 - 256 addresses ranging from 203.54.174.0 thru 203.54.174.255

The ruling would preferably make provision for any other IPs made from apparently the same editor, for example if he changes Internet Service Providers (ISPs).

Thank you for your consideration --A Y Arktos\talk 23:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

(PS for ease in use of pronouns, I am female.)

[edit] Statement by party 2

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Not sure if these edits count as a response. The editor does not sign and may not chose to post here but has referenced this request. --A Y Arktos\talk 02:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment regarding IP range

According to Whois, the entire 203.54.0.0/16 is operated by the same ISP - Telstra Internet of Southeastern Australia. As a result, it is entirely possible for the anon to edit under an IP with the third number being something other than 9, 174, or 186. 04:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clerk notes

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[edit] Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/3/0/0)

  • Reject, this looks like it is more suitable for mediation at this point. Dmcdevit·t 01:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Reject in favour of mediation. James F. (talk) 10:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Reject. - SimonP 14:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Draft RfC

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AYArktos (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights)

Anon user editing from the following IPs (and more) all from the same the same ISP - Telstra Internet of Southeastern Australia: 203.54.186.68 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.132 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.223 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.43 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.141 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.168  (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.169 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.174.100/ (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.206 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.174.12 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.127 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs) /203.54.186.96 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.128 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.202 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.26 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.57 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.75 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.78 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.106 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.250 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.19 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.197 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.152 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.141 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.98 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.9 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.214 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.225 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs) 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs)

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

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The anon has edited a number of articles, particularly relating to Gundagai, New South Wales (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), a small town in south-eastern Australia. He asserts various facts but usually fails to back them up with sources, although sometimes sources have been provided later in the discussion. He has then attacked editors who disagree with him.

[edit] Description

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In the course of editing, the anon editor has added unsourced and unverified information. He has also abused editors who have questioned the sources or who have worked on the articles in the normal course of editing. The anon editor has engaged in extensive discourse on talk pages of articles but refuses to sign his comments and intersperses comments among edits made by others, making the dialogue all but impossible to follow. He has also included comments and first person ramblings into articles.

The major area of contention began with the assertion concerning an alleged massacre of indigenous Australians in 1838 near Gundagai, New South Wales and symbolism of the massacre by the statue of the Dog on the Tuckerbox. The information was also added to the article on the Hume Highway. Various editors researched the assertion and none could find any source to substantiate it. For their pains they have been abused.

Note there are a very great many diffs involved and have not all been included; they are of course visible in the histories of the articles and and in the contributions of the IPs.

[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

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  1. Gundagai: Initial edits asserting massacre - [36] [37]; Refusal to cite sources, for example [38]
  2. Murrumbidgee: [39] - declined (per edit summary comments) to provide citations: [40] [41] but accused others of failing to uphold his unreferenced edits [42]
  3. Associated attacks on other editors -
  4. Regardless of which article talk page, the editor refuses to sign posts nor does he observe any courtesy in formatting his comments sequentially. He has been asked several times to sign. [62] [63]
  5. Inserting comments in middle of articles: [64] [65] [66] [67] [68]
  6. Assertions about posting confidential indigenous information: [69], editors working on Gundagai and related articles have been quite careful to cite sources and those sources are published sources. The accusations from the anon editor are quite bizarre. He, however, makes constant reference to unpublished material relating to indigenous matters, for example [70], which other editors have removed with the statement (if it shouldn't be posted here - don't post it). The anon also suggests a conspiracy to hide highly significant material which he can't reference right now, but "cannot ever go up her ebecause of the dreadful atatcks on me by an admin etc." [71].

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  2. No personal attacks, Civility, Civility


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