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[edit] Ay and Aegyptus
Some questions by IonnKorr
- Was Ay the same person with Aegyptus (of historian Manetho)?
- Was Akhenaton (or an naval-general of Egyptian fleet) the same person with Danaus, king of Argos?
- Was Nefertiti post-developed ('mutated") into Aphrodite, Greek goddess of beauty?
Take into account the article "Danaus", from Wikipedia.
"It has been suggested that the figure Danaus represents an actual Egyptian monarch, possibly identified with the pharaoh Akhenaton (as accounted by the ancient Greco-Aegyptian, Manetho). Furthering the parallel, the character of Aegyptus bears similarities with the pharaoh Ay. This leads some to believe that the Aegyptiads were an Egyptian army that was sent by Ay and Ammonian priests to punish Akhenaton and Atenists, and, following from this presumption, that the Danaids were Egyptians who followed Akenaton to Greece after his escape from Egypt."--Ionn-Korr 18:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- Josephus gives Orus a reign of 36 years and 5 months and Amenhotep III had a high year mark of 37 years, making an excellent match. For this and other reasons, several Egyptologists have endorsed the correlation between the two. Josephus’s Rathotis has a reign of 9 years, which coincides precisely with that of Tutankhamen, who ruled only 9 years. Josephus’s Harmais has a reign of 4 years and 1 month, which makes an excellent fit with Aye, who has a high-year mark of 4 years. Finally, Josephus’s Ramesses has a reign of 1 year and 4 months, which coincides with Ramesses I, who ruled about two years, partly as coregent with Horemheb. This takes care of the more obvious correspondences. [1]. Not sure whether this is accepted fact though! Markh 13:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Concerning the intro...
Why is the Osman thing there of all places? Come now. It's not a mainstream theory, and the prevelance of minority unorthodox theses makes these articles crummy. Thanatosimii 21:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Titulary =
Full titulary comes from my copy of the stela of Nxt-mnw.--Cliau 07:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reverting
I have reverted the article, removing anonymous edits, to reinstate the Possible historical context section and clean up the introduction. Markh 11:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ay/Horemheb
I agree with Thanatosimi. Just because Markh thinks Ay is Ephraim, the son of Joseph--based on Ahmad Osman's unorthodox views doesn't make it so. All we know is that Ay was an EGYPTIAN whose family came from Akhmin. Osman hasn't published in a scholarly journal like JEA, JNES, BASOR, Orientalia where all articles are subject to academic scrutiny prior to publishing. Its just all nonsense and lowers Wikipedia's standards. Encyclopaedia Brittanica must be laughing at us all! The problem here is that Kitchen has shown in his 1993 paper "He Swore and Oath" that Joseph was sold into slavery for 20 shekels--which was the standard price for slaves in the 20th Century BC Mesopotamia. So, there is no way his sons like Ephrayim could have lived into the 13th Century and ruled as Pharaoh Ay in the 1320's. Osman's ideas are not only a frimge theory--they are untenable. The problem with Wikipedia is that someone like Thanatosimii CANNOT edit out these impossible views. Major forums like Thoth Web have Moderators who can remove theses speculative articles. 24.87.128.182 19:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Would like to point out that I belive NO SUCH THING! I reverted the changes that User:Therealmikelvee made to my changes, so the Osman "speculation" didn't appear in the introduction to the article. Which by the way have now been reinstated again by the same user, everywhere they were removed. He seems to be the only one on Wikipedia that actually believes this, so how do we deal with these changes without having an on going edit war. 11:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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- (Actually, if Ay was Yuya's son, we don't even know he was necesarrily an egyptian... at least not paternally.Thanatosimii 14:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] notes
http://edoc3.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/lepsius/page/abt3/band6/image/03061140.jpg
Just some notes for possible edit. Link to Lepsius illustration featuring a beautiful stela of Nakhtmin, seems to have an extended offering formula, featuring - invocation of Amun-Re, Ptah-Sokar, Osiris-Wenenefer, using the full "ddt pt" formula ("Which heaven gives, the earth creates, the inundation brings forth from his cave"), plus an extended variation. Nakhtmin is the offering giver of all the gods.--Cliau 13:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Too much information about Tutankhamun?
I'm a bit perplexed that so much space is devoted to the possible murder of Tutankhamun in this article. No context is provided -- viz., how T.'s death affects our understanding of Ay's reign; this section reads as if it is the remains of a forgotten edit war. Unless this can be better integrated, I think it would be best to move this discussion to the article on T. -- llywrch (talk) 00:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
