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[edit] Anagram

Interesting, no mention of the popular (apparent rumour) that he chose the name Axl Rose because it was an anagram of Oral Sex. Gemfyre (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This is already covered in the archives. The reason it's not mentioned is because one, it's not even accurate: his full name is W. Axl Rose, which doesn't work with the anagram. Two, it's already mentioned in the article how he chose his name, we have references for that, and it had nothing to do with the anagram. The 'W. Rose' part is his birth name; the 'Axl' is because he apparently didn't know how to spell 'Axel' correctly (there's an article out there about how he was actually very upset when he realized this). The Oral Sex thing is a popular rumor, but it's never been verified as anything more than that, and all the references we have directly contradict it. A lot of people's names probably turn into amusing anagrams if one puts enough effort into figuring them out, that doesn't mean it belongs in their Wiki bios. DanielEng (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"Axel" is a Nordic name popular in Germany and Scandinavia. Dunno why he chose it, maybe because of his Viking looks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by William24Crawley (talk • contribs) 18:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
His name comes from AXL, a band he was in before GN'R. I think it was one of his garage bands from Lafayette but I'm not too sure. Funeral 22:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] unlocked like this page should be

Axl Rose was trying to keep people from editing his Wikipage, that aint ganna happen, we got alot of dirt on you buddy and you are going to be exposed.

Keep this page unlocked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.90.15 (talk) 05:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What? Axl has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia.  :-S Funeral 16:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Its this reason why the page is locked, because people with alleged "dirt" want to sully the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.33.176 (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Please provide evidence of what you say is true, that Axl Rose is trying to keep people from editing the page.--Stripedtiger (talk) 05:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anyone's really taking that IP comment seriously--he put the same remark on the Slash page, IIRC. It's pretty clear that Axl has nothing to do with any of this. The page is locked because it was being vandalized by many IP users on a daily basis, which clearly met the guidelines for protection. DanielEng (talk) 07:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Axl Rose birth name

The cited source seems a bit ambiguous about his birth name: "I wasn't told I had a real father until I was seventeen. My real father was my stepdad, as far as I knew. But I found some insurance papers, and then I found my mom's diploma, with the last name Rose. So I was never born Bill Bailey. I was born William Rose. I am W. Rose because William was an asshole." It is hard to tell from this whether he didn't consider himself William Bailey or whether his birth certificate actually said "Rose". Anyone have a more definitive citation? - TheDaveRoss (talk) 03:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

That's fairly clear--he said I was never born Willian Bailey. It's also backed up in the Danny Sugerman book and the GQ article cited in the article that Rose was his birth name. Also, since his mother didn't marry Stephen Bailey until he was about three (which is also mentioned in the RS article) and it's been cited many times that Bailey was his stepfather, there's no logical way he could have been born with the name Bailey or had that on his birth certificate originally. DanielEng (talk) 15:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

He clearly didn't like his abusive step dad right off the bat because Bailey was abusive towards him, his mom and his step brother and sister. Rose was wondering why Sharon, his mom, hasn't divorced Bailey long time ago. But when he found out that William Bruce Rose Sr. was his biological dad, he rebelled in earnest against his upbringing, including the strict religious education and he started having trouble with the law. Eventually, he left Indiana bitter against the Midwest and didn't want to have anything to do with either one of his parents, let alone his step dad. So he changed his name back to "Rose", but since he hated his biological father as well, he adopted "W." rather than "William". "AXL" is after one of his early bands, I was told. —Preceding unsigned comment added by William24Crawley (talk • contribs) 18:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guitar

Is there any reference that Axl plays guitar? --190.43.189.218 (talk) 02:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

He's officially credited as doing so on the Use Your Illusion albums, and can be seen playing in the "Dead Horse" video (up on YouTube). More recently he's played guitar onstage at Rock In Rio in 2001. DanielEng (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

A little piece of trivia that I think should be added. In the television series, Meerkat Manor, two Meerkats are named after him. One named Axel, the other Rose. Is this worthyu enough to be mentioned? Ledgo (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry. Trivia sections are discouraged from Wikipedia (see WP:TRIVIA).

[edit] Second Baritone ?????????????????//

Axl Rose is a fuckin tenor.I'm a baritone and i high one i can say and i can't even reach some roses songs not because i'm not trained but because i was born like that.So don't write something because someone told it to show that he is not just the hard rock singer.Baritones can't sing high b's in full voice only a few can and those one's are ten times better vocalists than Axl Rose.

Please be civil when posting comments.
As per the citations given in the article, Rose is a second baritone, and has stated that himself. How your voice compares to his, or your personal assessment of his voice and talent, is of no consequence. Unless you have reliable references which can provide solid proof that the three given in the article are wrong please refrain from deleting and changing information in the future.DanielEng (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Like many successful singers Axl has a baritone voice and a strong head voice, and he usually uses one or the other (e.g. listen to the beginning and the end of of "Nightrain" -- he doesn't mix them). I'd classify him as a baritone because his head voice isn't particularly high quality, although it works for the style of music he sings. He's probably more comfortable singing in chest voice! 82.32.74.253 (talk) 22:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Biased pages?

I find that pages about one or the other character tend to be pretty biased in favour of the character the article is about. I.e. in an article about Pamela Anderson, her divorce from Tommy Lee is depicted as a result of "gross abuse" and the one about Tommy Lee is the other way around -- and I saw it again in this article when it comes to Rose's feud with Vince Neil. Maybe something could be done to straighten this problem out? I know this is a minor talk page to cite such a great problem in; but we've got to start somewhere! -After all, being biased isn't exactly very encyclopedic... Nizingur (talk) 17:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Nizingur

I don't know anything about what happens on the Tommy Lee page, but on this page, everything is backed up with reliable sources, which can be checked by clicking on the footnotes. In the case of the feud between Rose and Neil, care has been taken to keep the text as neutral as possible: in The Dirt, Neil claims that Rose backed out of the scheduled fistfight; materials from the Guns N' Roses camp claim the opposite, that Neil backed out. Who is telling the truth? We don't know. The only thing we know for certain is that Rose and Neil never actually hooked up and had their duel. The text reflects this: saying "both sides accused the other of backing out" is about as neutral as one can get. It sides with neither Neil nor Rose's version of events.
In terms of the original punch itself, we do know that it happened, and that it happened just as it is written in the article. Neil takes full responsibility for it in The Dirt--he very clearly states that he hit Izzy at the VMA, and gives details about the incident. There were also other witnesses to the assault, since it happened backstage at the VMAs, and it was reported in various mainstream media outlets. However, the assault against Sharise Neil is only "alleged" because a) there aren't any witnesses who have come forward; b) Neither Sharise Neil nor Stradlin have ever said anything publicly about it; c) Stradlin was never charged with any sort of crime. We can't write that Stradlin definitely did anything to Sharise because there simply aren't any reliable sources for it. Neil's punch can be verified; Stradlin's cannot.
If you have specific problems with something in an article, the first thing to do is a) check the sources given in the footnotes to see if it can be verified; b) ask for a source, if none is given; c) talk about it on the Talk Page, just as you have done here. DanielEng (talk) 18:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)