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Background

What has happend to the reference that Avril changed to rock for it's more lucrative prospects from country? Why on earth has that been deleted? I have nothing against the women personally and am not gonna start branding her fake or anything, i just find it weird thats been removed since there are many sources and reliable ones at that that clearly prove that Avril was a country singer and the record company converted her to rock. She Is The Best Rock Artist In The History Of Time!


Parents' origins

It states that her parents are out of Quebecois origin in the first paragraph. It then specifies that her mother was Franco-Ontarian and her father was "French-born". Both live in Ontario, where Avril was born and raised. To some, the definition of the terms might be synonamous. But they actually are not. If her parents (or their ancestors) come from the province of Quebec, then they are Quebecois. Her mom is Franco-Ontarian, which means that they probably didn't come from Quebec. They came from the Francophone minority in Ontario. These are two very different cultures and both have existed for generations. The same applies to her father: he's from France. Therefore he's French. He's not Quebecois either. To call then Quebecois is a contradiction of other facts you've stated because there is no factor that implies they had anything to do with Quebec.

To those who might not understand, it's like saying " Her father is from Cuba who lived in florida for a while. Her mother is from Louisiana. And they both live in Louisiana now. Her parents are Floridans."

It would be better to say that her parents are French-Canadians. Joel July 6, 2007

Further to my comments above, the links to the wikipedia definitions of the terms 'Quebecois' and 'franco-ontarian' explain exactly how your page is contradictory. Joel July 8, 2007

"Her parents are both Francophones, but she herself does not speak French." Implying her parents are "Quebecois" is biographically incorrect. It's not factual. Joel July 9, 2007

From reading the article, it would seem that neither statement about the origin of her parents is reliably sourced. I don't personally know which one is correct. I've added {{fact}} tags to both statements for now. This issue needs to be clarified. --Kurt Shaped Box 18:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Since the page itself states the ethnic origin of her parents and states than neither are Quebecois i decided to change the sentence to correspond to the lower part of the page, however i left in the fact tags

To state that the dad is from France (birth country, suggests his mother tongue is French) but that the mother is a francophone (mother tongue but no birth country) sounds weird doesn't it? Shouldn't we include the word 'Canadian' to 'francophone' to even it out? Joel July 19, 2007

And speaking of French...

the paragraph that says pronunciation of her name is generally anglicized to la-veen... come off it, that's so stupid. That IS the French pronunciation, the differences in sound from actual French would be attributed to the English accents of the English speakers who say it because she sings in English to English audiences. Or do French speakers also anglicize it this way? NOT. Otherwise the "generally anglicized" phrase should be added to every other French origin word in the the english wikipedia.

Are you saying that 'laveen' is the French pronunciation (which is not the case)? Or that 'laveen' is the anglicized version that anglophones use because her audience is anglophone? It's not really clear which side you're on. Joel 22-10-07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.194.74.10 (talk) 16:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused

Avril Lavigne was born in Belleville, Ontario[13][14] to a devout Christian family The couple married in a Catholic ceremony attended by about 110 guests on July 15, 2006 at a private estate in the California coastal city of Montecito —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.231.173.23 (talk) 05:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Lawsuit

Claims she plagarised the Girlfreind song. Add this anyone?

-Thanks

It's not an idle claim. If you go to the Rubinoos' site (http://www.rubinoos.com) and compare Avril's "Girlfriend" to the Rubinoos' song "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend," - both are posted on site - the similarities are quite significant.

I just went and listened as you suggested, and there are two important similarities, but I (NAL!) think the Rubinoos have no claim. Similarity #1: "I want to be your X-friend", yes, the same idea, but you can't own and idea like that, other people get to write lovesongs too. Similarity #2, the repeated refrain, "hey - hey - you - you, I want to be your X-friend", yes, exceedingly similar.... but unfortunately for the Rubinoos, it's exceedingly similar to "hey - hey - you - you, get off of my cloud". Otherwise the whole tone of the Rubinoos is wimpy, unrequited "love from afar". Avril's song is a fresh and new contribution. The whole idea of copyright law is to encourage creativity (by letting people make money from it) not to crush creativity (by letting people "own" basic ideas and squelching future creativity)

Even more significant are the similarities between the band Lush's version of the Rubinoos song, which they retitled "I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend." Lush's version of the song and Avril Lavigne's "Girlfriend" are almost identical. Unfortunately it appears this article has been locked.

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...Or read this for a contrary opinion:

    http://avrillavigne.bloggergirl.com/2007/07/avril-lavigne-sued-rubinoos-lawsuit.html

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Perhaps the widespread claim that Avril blatantly plagiarised the Peaches song "I'm the Kinda" in her "I Don't Have to Try" song should be added as well?

-Lana-, July 13 2007

Thick Southern Accent?

Avril Lavigne shouldn't be referred to as having a "thick southern accent" because she is in fact from Napanee, Ontario. She does have a rather different accent, but it is Canadian, and is not a U.S. Southern accent like the article states...please change! Steveo3560 01:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like someone has been messing around. I'll remove it. --Kurt Shaped Box 20:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Categorization

Could someone please add "Category:Canadian-born_entertainers_in_the_United_States"? Thank you. 84.173.232.112 13:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. Done. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 17:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Pop punk

Im not sure if she really could be considered pop punk. she is a singer song writter, and a movie actress!!! i love avril lavigne she is my fav..her best sng she recorded i think is girlfriend..i love the song..well i love her 2!! Her music has always been pop, in the early days with a thin veneer of what she liked to call punk. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.23.19 (talk) 05:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Some of her songs are pop-punk, but she's pop rock.Xr 1 06:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that this article could use more on the style of music used in each album. She has shifted slightly since Let go! and i would like there to more about music style rather than sales figures. 67.101.65.226 05:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

There are no credible sources that would say that she is punk rock. She puts on the trappings of alternopunkemo to get the attention of the Hot Topic crowd but she's not fooling anyone. —M (talk • contribs) 13:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Basically let go is pop punk, under my skin is punk, and the bestdamn thing is pop so i guess u could call her pop punk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.22.136 (talk) 22:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

External links

Could you add http://www.mysitetoavril.piczo.com ? It's a fan page with lots of pics of Avril Lavigne since her begining in music. It also has great info and links. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.32.117.89 (talk) 10:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC).


Wikipedia is not a link directory and i doubt that a site like that is relevant enough to an encyclopia. (Pi 18:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC))

Avril + AVRiL?

There is no way the AVRiL is named after Avril Lavigne ("Trivia" Section). Absolutely no way. Please delete it. 70.69.206.62 05:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Proper

I agree. Deleted it. I find it hardly difficult for a weapon in such game to be a tribute of a singer like Avril. Not bashing her, it's just that seeing how bands that are totally different (Nine Inch Nails, Alice in Chains and the such) are the ones ussually noted or taken from (Doom's music comes to mind). Revert it, though, if there is actualy information regarding it. Dskzero 13:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Fansites

What of posting fansites on the page? I've tried myself with a few popular ones but I found them removed the next day. Why is it so bad? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Forgotten00 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Because wikipedia is not a links repository. --Zoe.R 22:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Avril's official website has discussion forums and links to her official fan club and so fills the requirements of a fansite while also containing useful, relevant and reliable information (Pi 18:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC))

Genre of the Avril Lavigne's music!???

Avril isn`t 100% POP.... Why sometimes the genre of avril in this info are POP??? POP is Britney Spears, Madonna, Xtina, etc etc... Pop-Rock are some songs of Hilary Duff, Ashley Tisdale, etc .... (and a little number of avril's song) Alternative Pop-Rock is the music of Alanis, Pink, No Doubnt, GoGo Dolls and Avril Lavigne! Some songs of Avril are Punk-Pop....

Ooooph..... if you think that Hilary Duff and Ashley Tisdale are pop-rock, you need to broaden your musical appetite. Britney is pop. Hilary is pop. Alanis is pop. Pink is pop. Avril is pop. Gwen is pop. The only thing punk about about Avril is her boutique ripped jeans.

= GooGoo dolls and No Doubt are definitely not in the same category as Avril Lavigne. Avril is 90% pop. She's pop-punk (much like Good Charlotte or Ashley Simpson).


The webpage ALLMUSIC is very nice the clasifications of the genres-style of Avril Lavigne and the albums

  • Let Go: Alternative Pop-Rock, Teen Pop
  • Under My Skin: Alternative Pop-Rock and Teen Pop (WHERE TEEN POP IN UMS?)
  • The Best Damn Thing: Pop-Rock, Punk-Pop, Teen Pop

On the section about how ex boyfriend sells Avril's love letters on Ebay, there is a link (#31) that supposedly verifies this. But if you read what is on the linked page, it doesn't say anything about love letters nor Ebay. Just that she and her bandmate broke up. I don't doubt it happened, but it needs to be verified/verifiable.

She is more punk-rock. Girlfriend, Complicated, Nobody's Home, My Happy Ending, etc. --Elena Jovovic 01:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Shes her own style. shes not exactly pop, punk or rock but i propose a new category avril-pop!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.22.136 (talk) 22:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


there is absoulutly no way she is pop-punk, the is only reason people sometimes classify her as pop-punk is because stupid 10 year old girls see how she dresses and think shes hardcore, all she really is is a poser

-J.R.

She can have more than one genre. Add something to the list - Alternative rock, rock, pop rock, punk pop, punk rock, post grunge Please do NOT delete a genre from the list, only add if neccessary. If you want to remove a genre, just start a subsection below and state why you want to remove a genre. 60.230.2.29 02:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)A Guest

We need some criticism

Was this entire article written by a 10 year old girl? I'm not asking for some expletive ridden rant like you would find on Urban Dictionary, just basic criticism on her contradictions and genre crossing. In the "Media Image" section, it gets close to criticism but then shies away from it at the last second.

7FlushSetzer 19:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes yes, please. A general criticism section would be nice.

Why does every single page on Wikipedia need a "Criticism" section? What do you want to criticise Avril Lavigne for? Do you want a section that looks like:
"Criticism
According to some people, Avril Lavigne is inauthentic... etc"
Come on... KEK 16:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
At the moment it seems like this whitewash of a page was written by Lavigne's management. Doesn't seem very encyclopedic at all.Dr Faustus AU 08:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I you want to be critical, you could say she is un-naturally short and has no real boobs to speak of........bit like a munchkin from "Wizard of Oz" really. 195.41.191.54 10:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added a Criticism section with something that happened at a Mexico City signing event. Some hours after I wrote that, user 71.70.165.3 deleted the section without saying why... The article indeed appears to be written and defended by Lavigne's management. Pablo 06:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've removed your text as well. However, please don't presume my action has anything to do with "defending" Lavigne; I'm sure she can take care of herself. You are right in noting that the article could use a rewrite. It is well-referenced, but could be more encyclopedic. However, a note about her being grumpy doesn't accomplish that, nor is it notable or relevant. That doesn't make it any less annoying to the fans in Mexico, but it does reflect Wikipedia's guidelines. What would be more appropriate is cited material describing how industry professionals, critics, and the like feel about her work - both positive and negative. (BTW, please try to avoid calling it a "Criticism" section - that title generally causes problems Wiki-wide, as it becomes a magnet for anyone who wants to complain. This isn't just a musical artist issue, it affects all of the articles.) --Ckatzchatspy 08:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough Pablo 00:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
FYI, Pablo, one thing I should clarify is that I'm not trying to suggest that behavioural issues aren't relevant. If there is an established pattern of behaviour, and (more importantly) if the observations are made by verifiable, notable sources, then it should be considered for inclusion. One-off incidents aren't however. Sorry for not including that easrlier. --Ckatzchatspy 07:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:Why does every single page on Wikipedia need a "Criticism" section? What do you want to criticise Avril Lavigne for? Do you want a section that looks like:

"Criticism
According to some people, Avril Lavigne is inauthentic... etc"


yes that would be a good start and please also add that she is a poser, she steals songs, and she has no chest.

-J.R.

Charity

Someone should add to the "Charities" Section that Under My Skin and My World (DVD) were both made with War Child Canada.

-Some moron

first footnote/endnote/whatever is a dead link

Can be updated to http://arts.independent.co.uk/music/features/article2467426.ece 65.94.191.152 01:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. Alex43223 T | C | E 15:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

post grunge

she is not post grunge! post grunge is stuff which sounds like nirvana or pearl jam but after the mainstream period. avril sounds nothing like them! also may i point out that she is not pop-punk cos thats pop tunes with punky lyrics (good charlotte etc) but singing about skater boys and girlfriends is just POP!


^^HEY YOU CAN HEAR THE DVD "MY WORLD"???? Some songs have a changes post-grunge example Sk8er Boi, Losing Grip.... and some songs of her are punk-pop ..... the music punk pop is not necesary "thats pop tunes with punky lyrics" .... if the instrumental music have chords/tabs of punk.... are punk-pop.... and she sing cover of punk-pop bands ;)

VISIT www.allmusic.com ..... In this web the genre of avril are : Post-Grunge, Alternative pop rock, rock, pop-rock and teen pop (LET GO); Alternative pop-rock, rock, teen pop (UNDER MY SKIN) and Punk-pop, pop-rock, rock and teen pop (THE BEST DAMN THING)

This artical should really be catigorized under "desputed genres". Some say she's Pop, some say Punk, some say Grunge. Its impossible to tell because here image has basically done a backflip ever since she started singing country music in the begining. -FallingSkies 19:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

She's not post-grunge.Allmusic lists only her first album as post-grunge (although I don't think it's correct)Xr 1 19:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Her look may be post-grunge but her sound is bubblegum pop 71.236.147.130 02:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

She can be post-grunge. I'm not saying all her songs are, but there are a decent number of songs that are post-grunge. 60.230.2.29 02:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC) A Guest

Genre edit dispute

Every time I visit this article there are different genres listed (both in the infobox and elsewhere); they're being persistently changed by various editors, none of whom cite their sources, and many of whom (as indicated above) edit them according to what genre(s) they themselves think) Lavigne's music is best described as. This constitutes original research and, as such, should not be occurring. If people don't provide reliable sources when they add, remove or change a genre (or undo the edits of one or more other users), I'm afraid the article will have to be protected until this dispute is resolved. I think most readers and editors here would prefer if it didn't come to that. Extraordinary Machine 01:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


How about we include all genres that people suggest (unless its completely not relate to Avril) instead of deleting other genres that other people put in? Add to this list: Alternative rock, rock, pop rock, punk pop, punk rock, alternative pop, post grunge ~Guest~

Is Avril really post-grunge?

Personally, I don't think she is. There's very few, if any, critics and professionals that say she is; also, she's not mentioned on the article listing post-grunge artists. Either this article or the post-grunge list needs to be revised, since there's a inconsistency. None (or very few) of her songs have soft verses, then explode into a powerful chorus, with simple guitar chords. I've heard all her albums, and the only song that might be classified as Post-grunge is "Too Much to Ask" from Let Go. One post-grunge song doesn't make a post-grunge artist. Many rock bands have country-like songs, but they aren't labeled as country on their pages; why should this be any different? 67.177.184.125 01:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I very much agree. I also wish somebody would take off "drums" on her "instruments" list, because she IS not a drummer. User "Kurt Shaped Box" said that "she messes around on the drums sometimes" or words to that effect, I presented facts that Kurt Cobain "messed around on drums" (most notably in "Seasons In The Sun" on "With The Lights Out") yet he is not listed as a drummer. Please remove. Speedboy Salesman 09:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Did I word it like that? I don't honestly recall (I only dimly remember the discussion). Anyhow, if Kurt Cobain played drums live or in the studio with Nirvana on certain songs, I'd personally list 'drums' on his instruments list. I saw Lavigne play live a few years ago and she was definitely 'playing the drums' on one song (I think there have been others, though I haven't really been following her career recently). There is also a featurette on the DVD that comes with the special edition of Under My Skin where she is seen practising her drumming and discussing how she had decided to learn the instrument. --Kurt Shaped Box 15:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"Seasons In The Sun", Rio, 1993 that's in the "studio" it's on With The Lights Out DVD. "Rio" by Duran Duran, 1993, with Novoselic on guitar, Grohl on bass, Cobain on drums. Documented in Heavier Than Heaven, I can find some citation if you don't believe me. HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also there's a YouTube video floating around some a live Nirvana concert with Kurt on drums. Again I can find the clip if you really want. So I make my original claim, please remove "drums" from her infobox. Or let me remove it without you just putting it back in. Speedboy Salesman 17:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I have the Nirvana box set. I don't remember him playing the drums on that track - but on the other hand, it's been that long since I watched the DVD that I can't remember that much about it at all... ;) So, if we have proof that Cobain played drums for Nirvana (as Lavigne has done with her band), why not add 'drums' to his instruments list and leave it at that? --Kurt Shaped Box 17:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest you look. Last track after "Talk to Me". I don't think neither Cobain nor Lavigne should be listed as a drummer, because neiher is really noted as being one. If we started adding stuff like that to every page, Dave Grohl's infobox would be a good foot long. Try to add "drums" to Cobain's infobox if you really want, but it'll get taken off. I really don't think neither Cobain nor Lavigne should be listed as a drummer. Speedboy Salesman 22:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the day, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopaedia. There's no reason why Dave Grohl's infobox *shouldn't* be a foot long, if all the information contained within is verifiable. --Kurt Shaped Box 07:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Can you give me a proper song that Lavigne has played drums on in the studio? I mean the fact that she has messed around on the drums with her band has no merit, because a lot of people do that, and they don't class themselves as drummers. The bass player from my band messes around on the drum kit at rehearsals, but that doesn't make her a drummer. Speedboy Salesman 23:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Avril has many post grunge songs: Losing Grip, Take Me Away, Forgotten, My Happy Ending, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.2.29 (talk) 01:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section

Aparently, this article used to have a trivia section, and it was removed at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avril_Lavigne&diff=132292871&oldid=132146285 by banned user SweetCarmen. Per WP:TRIVIA one should not wholesale remove trivia sections, but rather integrate them into the article if possible. Here for those wondering, here is the removed content:

  • Lavigne has teamed up with Del-Rey Manga for a two volume series entitled Make 5 Wishes. Volume 1 was made available for purchase on April 10, 2007, and Volume 2 will be available in July.[1]
  • Lavigne plays a signature model Fender Telecaster electric guitar.[2]
  • Lavigne's brother Matt appears in the video for "Girlfriend" as part of her band playing the bass.
  • Lavigne's sister Michelle appears in the video for "Sk8er Boi".
  • She has a pizza named after her at LaPizzeria in her hometown of Napanee, Ontario.
  • She has a miniature schnauzer dog named Sam. He appeared in her DVD My World.
  • Her first album, Let Go, is contradictory to her song Keep Holding On.

I'm sure at least a few of these are notable outside of a trivia section. --Aknorals 09:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Avril did street performing before her hit album "Let Go" was released. She sang material from her upcoming album on a subway train and on the city streets with her guitarist on her "Try to Shut me Up" tour DVD. She also did street performing before being spotted and sang in churches and festivals.

Addition to "the best damn thing" cd description.

Since Avril released "The Best Damn thing" there have been three incidents of ppl alleging creative misconduct. One being the complaint of copyright infrignment by The Rubinoos already mentioned on the page. The second however relates to Songwriter Lauren Christie of the production team the Matrix, who said to Rolling Stone Magazine, Lavigne only changed a couple words to the music he created. Lavigne insists of course it was a joint effort. The third incident happened with songstress Chantal Kreviazuk suggesting to Performing Songwriter magazine that Lavigne stole one of her songs for the disc The Best Damn Thing. This was all reported by the CBC and can be found on <http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2007/07/04/lavigne-lawsuit-girfriend.html> Nwilloug 22:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Update: Chantal Kreviazuk retracted her claim and apologized... turns out she simply saw a song on Avril's CD with the same title, but the songs were entirely different. Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN1025233420070710

Here is a link to an older article about the Matrix, saying that Lavigne wrote the lyrics <http://www.songwriteruniverse.com/matrix.htm> Bunnygod888 05:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Punk-pop genre!

Hey why in the genre of avril it does not appear the genre pop-punk? are various link that they say that Avril sings punk-pop. Example

And a lot of web have some info of that... and other genre just like power pop, and post-grunge (More than everything it has that caracteristic sound, in the live concerts, of some songs just like sk8erboi, losing grip, and others) and in under my skin she have a alternative rock influences in the songs... but is Alternative Pop-Rock =)

Thanks, I hope that they add these discussed genres mainly... first that it was discussed (201.249.29.33 13:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC))


I will be convinced that she is punk-pop when someone can name one punk-pop song ORIGINALY by her

-J.R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.245.213 (talk) 10:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Nearly all of The Best Damn Thing, as well as He Wasn't from Under My Skin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.2.29 (talk) 02:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

A bit unorganized?

Somewhere in the article, there are a few paragraphs that would probably belong in a new category for criticism. Does anyone think this would be appropriate? Rafa 07:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Chantal's retraction

Chantal Kreviazuk retracted her statement on July 10. I don't have a source and the page seems to be protected so I thought I'd just mention it here.

Done. --Kurt Shaped Box 16:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


Infobox caption

It looks like Lavigne is giving an interview rather performing live as the caption says Speedboy Salesman 08:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Knockin' On Heaven's Door ?

This is a single of avril??? why don't see in the single/music video area? (200.93.87.224 22:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)).

As far as I'm concerned that's not a single by Avril Lavigne. If she ever released a cover version of that song, it should be included in the article. But nobody ever said that she released a cover of that, anyway. Where did you get that information from?--84.129.79.43 22:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Pop?

Avril's music is not pop!!christina and britney's music is pop.... Avril's genre is rock with stils:pop rock (ballads) and pop punk

bauch18

Beg to differ. Her music may have a few rock influences, but is mostly pop. --Iluvmesodou 08:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree as well......a guitar doesn't make it rock, look at Hansen for instance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.41.191.54 (talk) 10:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Take Me Away, Freak Out, Forgotten, Don't Tell Me and Losing Grip are more rock or post-grunge than pop.

other categories

"punk-pop singer" or punk-pop band for a new categorie?

Catholics

Lavigne's family were devout Christians.

They are devout Catholics, how change that? there was citations about that and now it's change--Domingo Portales 21:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Avril no is catholic! she don't believe in saints and virgin.... example in the end of her albums she make thanks to "God" no saint, virgins, others that are believe of catholics (200.109.198.25 20:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC))

I didnt said anything about what she belive, she was raised catholic and her parent are roman catholic, that's all, only facts.--Domingo Portales 21:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Avril no is catholic!? That no is proper grammar. No offense. And Catholicism and Christianity are essentially, the same religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iluvmesodou (talk • contribs) 08:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Boys on Top: A Punk Rock Tribute to Avril Lavigne

I added this album in "Non-Album Tracks" of lavigne Boys on Top: A Punk Rock Tribute to Avril Lavigne http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q54/bloodygunner/Avril%20Lavigne/l_55526418d71bb72d03d2738ee786ef73.jpg

--Comments-- AVRIL ROX!!!

Official Website Problem

check the link for the official website in the infobox, it is correctly written but it does NOT work in the article. Fix link. Ivanescence 23:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 23:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Lots of Vandalism Problems Here

Today, I saw two separate samples of vandalism: one thing claiming she's a cannibal, and a fake and insulting web address. I've gone ahead and removed the cannibal reference, and put the proper web page URL back up as of 7/27/07, but maybe this page should be completely protected instead of just semi-protected. Amazing what jealous people will do to successful people, huh? Ladycascadia 17:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

jealous?????????????? who would be jealous of her?

-J.R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.245.213 (talk) 10:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You obviously don't like her. Why is that?

60.230.2.29A GUest

controversy

So Im scrolling around the Avril Lavigne article, looking for vandalism and copyright pictures and then, Hey weres the controversy section? Avril lavigne is being swarmed with controversy over her songwriting abilities and stuff like that.So Im wondering, where the heck is the controversy section? TaylorLTD 01:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The controversy is at The Best Damn Thing. --JYi 01:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I think its better off on the avril lavigne article in general TaylorLTD 18:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

There is absolutely nothing punk about her.

Yay, umm we all know that by know, and thats not what were talking about TaylorLTD 17:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Who signed her to Arista?

this article states Ken Krongard. However, <http://www.songwriteruniverse.com/matrix.htm> states it was Josh Sarubin. Bunnygod888 05:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


Iris

The page says that this is her favourite song of all time. Can this be referenced? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 3.14 etc (talk • contribs) 18:24, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

I think it's a rather pointless fact... --Elena Jovovic 01:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Info box birthplace

The info box says that she was born in "Bellville", which is an incorrect spelling and thus a different city, which makes the link be incorrect too. Someone please fix that!--84.129.79.43 21:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Done and dusted. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 22:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

your the best

heya avril your the best eva i lve your songs —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.95.7 (talk)

Current Name

There's an article, already linked, that says her current name is Avril Lavigne Whibley. So I removed Ramona from the first paragrah, so it now correctly states her current name. The Ramona info is still in the info box where her birth name is listed. Her professional name is still listed at the top of the infobox, and I added a phrase about it as the Wikipedia style manual suggests. Ariadne55 01:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

"Girlfriend" music video has the second highest number viewers of all time in Youtube

As of August 26, 2007, Avril's official video of "Girlfriend" has more than 50,000,000 views on Youtube, making it the 2nd most viewed youtube clip of all time. Shouldn't this be mentioned at least in the "trivia" section? 202.156.11.4 03:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)Alitopan

I think it is already mentioned in the article. --Isis4563 14:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
There are rumours that it is a fake number. Anyone confirming? Aran|heru|nar 09:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

It's true, her video is tailing behind "The Evolution of Dance". http://youtube.com/browse?s=mp&t=a&c=0&l=&e=en_US

--72.191.51.199 23:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Other Songs?

I have a few songs not mentioned here.

I Don't Give A Damn - 3:32 (Slightly shorter length than "I Don't Give - 3:38" - is this the same song?)

Knockin' On Heaven's Door - 2:51 (Everyone and their mother has performed this)

Two Rivers - 3:06

Please respond.

--Wexer9 23:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I Don't Give a Damn is the unedited version of I Don't Give, and it includes the word 'shit' in the chorus. I don't think the songs you're asking to be added are relevant, though; they're b-sides and rough tracks, but I may be totally wrong in thinking that. -Amy

I'm not asking them to be added, I'm just wondering what they are. Any other insights? --Wexer9 00:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Genre Dispute; Spouse; Criticism?

I know there are several sub-queries for this, and I may be wrong for adding one, but this one is going to address all the confusion, not just with some of her listed genres. Frankly, I think we've got too many. All Music Guide has been found to not be a reliable source on both the Green Day and Blink-182 talk pages, as AMG just lists every possible genre that the music can be listed under (and, the people over at Green Day believe that All Music Guide puts post-grunge as the genre for any kind of rock music that came after the grunge period). If we're going to do that, we could put country, as Avril DID at one point sing country, or we could put rap (I'm just throwing out a ludicrous example) because she "rapped" on the song Nobody's Fool. Do you see what I'm saying? Three to four genres should be listed, at max- If just to make the article cleaner and more reliable.

Personally, I don't think she's teen pop- She briefly delved into that realm on the song Girlfriend, I think, but not enough to merit for an inclusion of her into that genre. I think she's pop/rock and pop/punk (with a heavy emphasis on the 'pop,' but there's no denying there are popular-punk inspired chord changes and styles to a couple of her songs), and, maybe, Modern Rock, because that's what a lot of Under My Skin fell under. This is just my opinion, and I'm fairly new to this Wikipedia system, but I just hate coming here and seeing it change every few days. I don't know the difference between personal research and just finding articles with sources, but I think there are enough sources to validate my opinion.

Can we add her spouse's name to her little box on the right? I'm just curious- I've seen it on other people's Wikipedias.

And yes, a criticism section would be wonderful, and valid. I do find it interesting that she brags of writing her own songs, yet all the people she's collaborated with have raised objections to her claiming the songs as her own (even though those people may retract the statements later). I also liked how she called herself 'the Sid Vicious of this generation' when she was 17. 67.64.149.184 17:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Amy

(With regards to the genre issue). This has literally been going on for years now and I honestly cannot envision editors even being able to fully agree on what the put in the box. Personally, I'd punt for Rock music and Pop music, leaving it as generic/all-inclusive as possible. Still, I tried that and IIRC, one of them was removed with a "she's not <whatever genre is in the box>" edit summary - then someone else wasn't happy with the genre that was still listed and changed it to something else, then someone else wasn't happy with that, etc. etc.... :(
{{Infobox musical artist}} doesn't support a 'spouse' line. I just tried it. --Kurt Shaped Box 19:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

SALES

Unfortunately, this page seems to be locked. Let Go did not sell 18 million, because the link given said it sold 16. So unless there's a link for Let Go that says it sold 18 million, can someone please find a way to change it? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.8.179 (talk) 20:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Filmography

There's a rumor going around that the movie Avril stars in as a main character is called "Twist Of Fate". It says that at least on a dutch fanpage (www.avrilon.nl). Is this true??

Q Magazine Interview

Should a section be opened for this or do you guys think it should be included in the "damned" section?

for those that don't know what I'm referring to, I'm talking about the controversial remarks she made in her interview with Q magazine where she made verbal attacks toward Kelly Clarkson.

http://thesuperficial.com/2007/09/avril_lavigne_is_an_amazing_hu.php

Ironstove 10:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Vocal Range/Type

Is she an alto? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.69.61 (talk) 12:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Instruments

I know Lavigne had played guitar very little but I've never heard of her playing drums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.167.207 (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

genre

none of her albums are punk.. not under my skin or w.e

Her only song that can be considered close to punk is sk8ter boi. which is maybe jst another pop rock song.

She is apop rock artist turned into a pop artist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.62.44 (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

well said.

-J.R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmy Rage (talk • contribs) 12:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Blacklisted web sites

A previous editor had introduced Worldwidealbums.tk as a ref to this site. Wikipedia would not let me save my particular edits—it stated that Worldwidealbums.tk was blacklisted and that I should somehow get it to be whitelisted. I chose to put the whole ref into

Does she play piano? I think so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.161.204 (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

She does. It used to be listed in the infobox. I wasn't even aware that someone had knocked it off. Re-adding... --Kurt Shaped Box 18:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Nothing is said here about Avril singing "SpongeBob Theme" on the "SpongeBob Squarepants movie" soundtrack... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.161.204 (talk) 19:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC) Avril was born in Napenee and not Belville —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.20.233 (talk) 22:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

#1 peaks

Sorry but Avril hasn't had any #1's in the UK, not even Complicated. UK should be removed from the #1 peaks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.116.204.122 (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

PerezLavigne.Com

A little while ago, Avril started a website called Perez Lavigne, where celebs (and normal people) join and vote to, basically, get Perez Hilton off the Internet. Celebrities who have already joined include Britney Spears, Ashley Tisdale, Linsday Lohan, and Christina Agulera (SP?). I think something about it should be added to the 'Personal Life' section, because it's mostly about him writing crap about the celebrities' personal lives, and how much she (and other famous people) hate it.

75.90.62.155 (talk) 14:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It appears to be a fake [3]. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I check around and it turns out that an imposter has used her name and some edited footage. But should this incident be mentioned? \\Zhi\\ 17:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Photo

Avrilgfdl.jpg

Avril guitar.jpg

For a while now the image has been avrilgfdl.JPG, but some anon editor keeps on adding in avril guitar.jpg. I'm all for finding better free images, but the second is a blurry concert photo where her face is partially obscured by a microphone. Neither are perfect, but at least the first one is relatively close up, clear and has a decent angle on her. The second one is more recent, but only by a year apart, so it doesn't make much of a difference and its of a much poorer quality.--CyberGhostface 19:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I do agree. What about adding the guitar picture somewhere else in the article? Darth NormaN 14:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


i dont mind her face being partially hidden y the microphone. in fact, lets just not put a picture up there

-J.R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmy Rage (talk • contribs) 12:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:av.jpg

I found this pic... is better than the other two pics.... The firts is a old pic of avril ... and that no is her style now... and the other are... low quality... this is better --Sabrina4226 20:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


The current pic is close up, of high quality and she looks nice on it - i don't see any reason to change it. --Darth NormaN 22:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
No reason that Image:av.jpg can't be included elsewhere in the article at some point though... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Genres

I ditched all of the genres from the infobox other than "Pop-rock". It's succinct enough that it captures all of the music she makes. Throughout the page is information articulating the type of pop-rock she makes, but the infobox ideally doesn't specify to the tee the exact type of music, just giving a generalised idea of it and hopefully if there's a musical style section, it can be broken down and analysed and described in detail there. --lincalinca 12:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Avril Lavigne ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/me totally agrees Darth NormaN 13:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't *totally* agree. It's okay to put three-four types of genre in there, most other artists have that many, it was just that people kept getting pissy and adding like 50 genres in there. I think pop-punk should be in there, too. I'm by no means a member of the Avril-is-really-punk group, but I think her music either falls in the pop rock or pop punk category, and there are enough sources to verify that.65.64.201.97 —Preceding comment was added at 02:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there should definitely be rock, pop rock, alternative and punk rock, and myabe post-grunge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.147.162 (talk) 05:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold???

Avril has Associated acts whit Avenged Sevenfold ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.58.41.32 (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Charities

On november 28th 2007, Avril Lavigne performed at the Bell Center, in Montreal (Qc), for the Unite Against Aids concert. She played Girlfriend, The best damn thing, Sk8erboy, I'm with you, Complicated, and others. She also sang Adia with Sarah McLachlan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelca17 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Number-one singles

I just edited the number-one singles table, because it said that Avril had scored 7 number-one singles in Canada. I checked the history, and changed it to what it was a couple months ago. But I still don't understand why this table and the table in her discography have differences. I think the table on this page has to be adapted to the one on her discography. Blacer (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Strange..it says here that she had 8 number-one singles in Canada. But I agree with adapting from the dicography since most numbers are correct. \\Zhi\\ (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
On second thought, why not just keep the number one singles section in the discography article? Most of the information mentioned here is already on her discography, so why repeat the whole thing? Besides, it's consuming too much space and just makes the article look "bulky". \\Zhi\\ (talk) 09:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Personal life

Um guys, do you reckon we need to note her favourite pizza toppings et al here? This is an encyclopedia, not an issue of Teen Magazine? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 23:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It's gone. Looks like that little not-particularly-notable factoid has been sitting unnoticed in the article for a long, long time... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

12+16=30?

Whats the deal with these sales figures? Hrhadam (talk) 11:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You forgot to add in the sales of her third album...{ Zh! } (talk) 08:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

Blacknnerdy (talk) 20:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC) Avril Lavigne's dispute with the Rubinoos over the song girlfriend has been settled. Right now, on the wiki, it says that she has been exonerated and that is inaccurate.

How old was she

In one of avril lavignes first songs she says "I might have fallen for that when i was 14 but its amazing what a couple of years can be,"the word couple means 2 ,so 14 + 2 =16.Which means she was about 16 when she started singing. --71.83.130.43 (talk) 23:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

AL

Do you guys think we should mention her trademark black eyeshadow?

I think it should go in the intro. . . will wait a few mins. for response before changing.

--Me (talk) 19:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

what? Darth NormaN (talk) 19:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things she's known for, don't you think we should mention it? --Me (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

She should be known for her music, not for her make-up lol.. --Darth NormaN (talk) 01:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree her music is amazing but her makeup is also cool and should be mentioned. Me (talk) 04:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

"sign", listen, this whole make-up thing is absolutely unimportant and your statement that "She has worn it invariably since the start of her career." is just not correct. look at those pics here:
anyway, 95% of the girls are using black eye-liner so i don't think we can call it "her" trademark.. i appreciate your input, really, but thats not a useful fact about her. --Darth NormaN (talk) 21:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Can I add this link

http://avrillavingevideo.blogspot.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinaubo22A (talk • contribs) 00:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Not needed since there is a already link to her youtube channel ;) Darth NormaN (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Avril, pregnant?

Some people say Avril is 6 wks preg, and with 141,000 google hits, could it be true? Maybe she aborted the baby or put on a press suit. I heard she drank at the time they said she was "so called preg". Can anyone tell me it's true? I've added it as a rumor fact in case it is true, and for her statements if it is not true. --Alisyntalk 00:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

six weeks since when? its not true look at some latest pics (maxim photoshoot) --Darth NormaN (talk) 03:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
According to US Weekly, her rep denied the whole thing, so it seems that they’re just rumors. { Zh! } (talk) 17:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

march 9 2008

Can I know her more....what is her favorite color and if someone will ask what symbol she wants or like on her life...what it could be??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.83.252 (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Her favorite colours consist of black and hotpink. Her symbol is a girly gothic skull which you can easily google or view in Image:Av.jpg. --Alisyntalk 01:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Fan site

Could we please include some fan sites? 130.220.153.164 (talk) 10:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

i would say no :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth NormaN (talk • contribs) 21:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

picture

I really thought the old picture of her at the premiere of Over the Hedge was old and outdated, especially since her hair wasn't normal and she wasn't looking at the camera. The new one is fine now, so PLEASE do not change it! --Alisyntalk 01:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the current picture is much better Think outside the box 16:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Middle name

There's a link right next to her new name to an article where she's quoted as saying, "Everyone knows me as Avril Lavigne but legally I changed my name to Avril Lavigne Whibley." Surely the artist herself is the best source as to what her current legal name is. Her middle name is not Ramona anymore. Her birth name, including Ramona, is properly listed in the infobox under birth name. Ariadne55 (talk) 01:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Dunbar/Gangwer

Should it not be mentioned that they only dropped the lawsuit after a settlement was reached? That seems to be an important bit of info missing: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20171904,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.49.101 (talk) 00:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Current Band Members

On Regis & Kelly this AM (4/2/08) she had Lindsey & Sofie back with her and not the ones listed on the page. Any one know the staus of this? Does the page need to be edited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.20.114 (talk) 16:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Concert tickets not selling

I heard her concert tickets are not selling and that in Florida they are going for $9 a piece. Can anyone dig anything up confirming its not selling? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.213.181 (talk) 16:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Perez Hilton posted that on his blog, so I'm not sure if it's even a reliable source. { Zh! } (talk) 08:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

instruments

We shouldnt put her uses of piano,guitar,drums,etc...its suppose to have instruments shes used in recordings,and she hasnt used any in the studio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destroyme111 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, she did use these instruments while recording, and she does use them live in concerts as well. { Zh! } (talk) 08:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Wheres your proof in that?We know she plays a little live but not in the studio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The idiotah (talk • contribs) 07:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

If she does play them live, then naturally these instruments should be mentioned. And I remember watching a couple of videos about the making of her albums in which she in fact did play these instruments in the studio. { Zh! } (talk) 08:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
She does indeed play these instruments in concert.
Searches on Youtube (ie: avril lavigne piano concert) should reveal videos.
ie. see my comment below in topic "Why cant i edit this page"

Additions to the article?

Well, it’s well known that Avril has always been complaining about or criticizing paparazzi and troubled peers. I mean, there isn’t an interview of hers that doesn’t contain these kinds of questions, plus she did pull a prank once on Pop Fiction. So, I think this thing is significant enough to be mentioned in the article, and maybe also something about the constant contrast between her current image and what she said when she was first coming out. { Zh! } (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

If you can write it properly from sources with without WP:NOR, especially synthesis, then I don't see why not. It has to be very well sourced and presented neutrally, as this is a biography of a living person. SamBC(talk) 17:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


Bindi

Hi, on the bindi article it mentions that Lavigne has worn a bindi. Can anybody verify? Speedboy Salesman (talk) 18:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

hm can't remember seeing a pic or a clip of her wearing a bindi.. --Darth NormaN (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It's not an exhaustive search by any means, but I couldn't find anything useful with a Google search for "avril lavigne" bindi. The first hit was the WP article, which is not usually a good sign. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
changed the article and took her name out.. --Darth NormaN (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


Why cant i edit this page

Can someone take off piano in instruments,just because she played it on a music video doesnt make her one,the eagles played police men a waiters in one of their music videos,that doesnt make them that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destry11 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

She plays the piano on her current concert tour.
For example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2yQC0xGKP8 Shriker (talk) 17:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, she does play piano. Usually on slipped away and when your gone [4]. I don't see how acting like a police officer is any comparison to being able to play piano? Think outside the box 18:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
BTW, the reason you could not edit the page is because it has been protected from editing by new users due to vandalism Think outside the box 18:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Quote

Someone take this out

The Matrix, who worked extensively with Lavigne on the album, commented on her songwriting, saying, "We had a fabulous and unique experience with Avril, who was then a 16-year-old rapidly growing songwriter with tremendous raw talent. The songs were conceived on piano and guitar by four people: The Matrix (3) and Avril. Avril was instrumental in the songs' creation. We were all very close during the making of the record

Theres no source and she worked on the album when she was 17 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destry11 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Valine

I read her real last name is/was "Valine." That's Italian, isn't it? That's pretty close to "Lavigne," I guess. Did that have anything to do with the pink flamingos in her "Girlfriend" vid? Forgot where I read that.--76.245.121.112 (talk) 09:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Covers

She have coverd the Metallica song "Fuel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgd5D-lXzAE

She has also covered "Bad Reputation" by classic punk chick Joan Jett. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.229.184 (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

added.. would be nice if you could find some sourcec except youtube ;) --Darth NormaN (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

album sales

In terms of album sales, is Avril Lavigne's new music, "The Best Damn Thing" better or worse than her old music (Let go, Under my Skin)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Villagers revenge (talk • contribs) 10:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

In billboard magazine, it recently emerged that Avril is the 5th highest selling artist, worldwide, in terms of album sales since the turn of the Millennium with 30 million. This should be reflected in the article.

Avril rulez (talk) 12:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

<several replies from blocked sockpuppets removed> --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 11:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

b2t: since this is an encyclopedia, we should not judge her music.. the best damn things is just one of her albums.. and thats it.. i dont think we should say "this is worse" or "this one is better" or "she changed her style and music and now she sucks" or anything like that even if the number of sales may say something else. if one is interested in those numbers, he/she can read the album articles :) --Darth NormaN (talk) 10:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Genres

Someone *please* change the genres back to "Modern Rock," "Pop Punk," and "Pop Rock." Someone came in and added all the genres she's a small part of. You know, like "Rap Rock." It's ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillycucumber (talk • contribs) 16:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed the recent genre additions. The cites for them all went to song names. A good cite would be to an article that states that her music overall is part of that genre. Also, the article shouldn't be based on just one song. Many artists do a song or two outside their primary genre(s), as a cover, a challenge, or a novelty. Ariadne55 (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Name

Shouldnt it be "Avril Whibley" Since she married dyreck whibley? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.211.21 (talk) 01:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Thats an olde fashioned view that women have to change their name when they get married. Makey melly (talk) 11:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, but unfortunately she did decide to change her name, so the page has to reflect that :-( Ariadne55 (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Her legal name is Avril Ramona Lavigne-Whibley but her business name is Avril Ramona Lavigne. The 'Lavigne Whibley' needs to be hyphenated.

Avril rulez (talk) 12:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


I know right. I don't know what's the problem but there are two different names. There is Avril Lavigne Whibley & Avril Ramona Lavigne. I think someone should edit the page and combine the names together to make her name Avril Ramona Lavigne Whibley. Her life story would make sense if the name was included like this on the page. Someone please fix this. Cookie Monster (talk) 19:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.187.105 (talk)

Both are correct as they are in the article right now. Her birth name was Avril Ramona Lavigne, as it is listed in the infobox. Next to her name in the lead paragraph there is a link to an interview in which she stated that she decided to change her name to Avril Lavigne Whibley when she got married. There is no hyphen in the cited source. So the lead paragraph has her current legal name ("Avril Lavigne Whibley"), followed by the name she still uses professionally ("Avril Lavigne", no middle name). Ariadne55 (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne a scientist?

Whats all this about Avril Lavigne being a scientist? Should this be mentioned? http://www.avrilbandaids.com/forums/articles-concert-reviews/56868-avril-1st-female-celebrity-named-scientific-method.html

NO, lol read it again.. --Darth NormaN (talk) 12:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


Since when Avril Lavigne was a scientist. I listened to her music for 3 years and I never heard anything about her being a scientist. Cookie Monster (talk) 19:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.187.105 (talk)

No, a scientific method has been named after her that enables you to determine the R and S configurations about a stereocenter when you do a bull sign. See this. Think outside the box 15:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

brother+sister

as we know she has a brother (i think his name is Matt or something like that) and a sister as well.. any ideas how to add those information? --Darth NormaN (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

If you find a source for their names, a sentence such as "She has two siblings, A and B" or "She has an elder brother, A, and a younger sister, B" might fit in the first paragraph of the background section. Ariadne55 (talk) 16:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
imdb says "She has a younger sister, Michelle and an older brother, Matthew", but like Wikipedia imdb can be edited by anyone. Does this count as reliable? Here is another source which confirms the information. Think outside the box 17:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
IMDB is usually not used as a source for the reasons you stated. I'm not sure about tv-now.com. However, I found a People cite and that's usually strong enough proof for unremarkable claims such as this. Plus, it has a picture, which is always a nice feature in a link. I'll add the info now. Ariadne55 (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Good find Ariadne! Think outside the box 19:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks :-) Ariadne55 (talk) 23:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

14 million

In the Let Go section, it says that it sold over 14 million copies and then says two lines later that it sold over 16 million copies. It has sold over 16 million, so could this be shown please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avril rulez (talk • contribs) 13:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it as it was unsourced and wasn't tied to a date. I've also added some sources for 16 million. Think outside the box 09:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)