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[edit] Some changes
i've deleted the refrence to the common misconception that geffen that geffen refused to serve in the IDF, and added the real reason for him not serving. also, i've added the fact that he is the son of Yonathan geffen. --Captain Proton
[edit] Political association
As a non-Israeli I am a bit puzzled by the line "he associates with the Israeli right " with the last two words linking to "Israeli peace movement". Is this due to vandalism or am I missing something? Thermaland 12:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Oops, Israeli left! I am directionally disabled when it comes to translating. Thanks for the correction! Yodaat 13:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- PS- The association comes from the Hebrew WP; Israeli left is interwikied to Israeli peace camp. If someone feels it should be linked elsewhere, feel free... Yodaat 00:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Phrasing
...and for this reason he is considered one of the most hated from one side and loved from other side singers in israel.
The phrasing in the sentence above doesn't seem very encyclopedic to me. I am - unfortunately - not very familiar with Aviv Geffen and am therefore not comfortable with changing the article without prior consultation. Would it be safe to say that he's a controversial and/or polarising media figure in Israel? autocratique ✩✩✩ 16:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Definitely safer than using "hated", which was added by an unknown IP and seems pretty POV. I'm changing it to controversial for now; I'll check it out more thoroughly. Yodaat 21:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks, it sounds much better now. =] autocratique ✩✩✩ 22:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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- You're welcome. : ) I changed the reason to his refusal to serve (rather than his singing about it) because this is what I found when searching it (Jewish Virtual Library, etc -- they might've all been copied from the same one or two sources). Perhaps this should be moved to the biography section, together with a few facts about his early years, parents, etc. Does anyone know how his mother's name is transliterated? Thanks. Yodaat 23:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Army service (lack thereof)
Apparently this is only mentioned briefly in the lead. There are two problems with this:
- The lead section isn't supposed to have any original information, but should be a summary of the article. Therefore, if something is mentioned in the lead, it should be expanded on in the main text.
- Geffen was one of the first major Israeli artists who was exempted from the IDF, and this is a very big deal because it is thought that the effects are still heavily felt today. I have heard/read numerous articles about how the fact that Galei Tzahal gave Geffen airtime where he actively denounced IDF service opened the way for many more duty evaders, because they saw this as clear legitimation of the act, almost as if by the IDF itself. Both then and today, Geffen's name has almost been synonymous with the trend of young artists shirking from the IDF.
In all, I feel that the issue hasn't been touched on enough. If someone can add more relevant information, I'd be delighted. As for me, I'll look for reliable sources and/or said articles on the matter if I have time. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
