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[edit] Male Idols?

Are there no Male porn stars or models in japan? If so why don't any of them have articles? And if there are, why don't they have any articles?Kairos (talk) 06:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

There are many, many many AV idols worthy of articles. Unfortunately Wikipedia plays a "notability" game which ensures that subjects who are covered in media (even mainstream media), but whose coverage is extremely difficult to locate because they are overseas, in foreign languages, and/or are not readily available on the Internet, are deleted. About Japanese male porn stars: The Japanese AV industry is heavily female-centric, that's just the way it is, however there are some well-known male porn actors. The only two articles I'm aware of already here are Chocoball Mukai and Micky Yanai. Feel free to start up articles on other Japanese male porn actors, but please source them as well as you can, and be prepared to fight their deletion. Now-- do these male stars belong at this article? My understanding of "AV idol" is that they are, by definition, female. I could be wrong. I am aware of no male "gravure" videos or AVs in which the male is the star. (Admittedly I don't look for this, so, again, I could be wrong.) Feel free to add to the article, especially any valuable sourcing you may have. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 16:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

As an example on the difficulty of playing the "notability" game with Japanese subjects-- I was preparing an article on Serena Kozakura, an idol who made mainstream news articles in English last month when she won a trial based on her bust-size. (An ex-boyfriend claimed she had crawled through a window to get into his apartment, it was shown that the model's voluptuousness prevented her from accomplishing this feat.) Last month I had three articles from Mainichi Shimbun with which to source the article. Two of those articles have since been taken off the site, they are not archived at the site, and they block "Internet Archive" from archiving the articles. So, basically, tired of fighting the "notability" game, I just give up on starting an article on this notable subject at Wikipedia. That said, if you're interested in the subject, the Wiki articles on the Japanese gay magazines Samson and Badi might provide you with leads. Happy editing! Dekkappai (talk) 16:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I have no knowledge of japanese male porn stars(gay or straight) and was asking out of curiousity. When I was looking up bakkake(sp?) and relaised that I couldn't find any. Due to the nature of how wikipedia works I don't have much hope to change things. Though, isn't there a japanese language version of this page and stuff? Kairos (talk) 09:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem-- we do have an article on Bukkake. Right, the Japanese Wiki has literally hundreds of articles on AV idols... Personally, I have no interest in male stars, so I'm not going to be researching the subject. If you're interested in the subject though, I do encourage you to look around for sourcing-- good sourcing seems to be the best weapon against deletion. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 17:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)