Talk:AV Family Computer

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I'm adding a merge request with the "NES 2" article. A "New NES/AV Famicom" page would be ideal, in my opinion. I would like to get rid of using the phrase "NES 2" - it's not an official name of the system, as is suggested. Roboman 03:15, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The AV Famicom and NES 2 are fundamentally different in a number of ways, and therefore the pages on the two units should not be merged. Here are the major differences: 1) NES 2 plays NES carts, AV Famicom plays Famicom carts, 2) the top of the NES 2 where you plug in the cartridge is rounded, whereas in the AV Famicom it is flat to accommodate the Famicom Disk System adapter, 3) the AV Famicom has AV plug video only, NES 2 has RF-out video only, and 4) the NES 2 lacks the 15-pin accessory port that the AV Famicom has on its right side (the port was never on any US hardware). -Smiley

If those differences are enough to keep the "NES 2" and AV Famicom from sharing a page, than why do the NES and the Famicom share a page? Roboman 23:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Because the NES page serves as a general overview of the platform itself, in all of its various release formats. It places an emphasis on the original models, but it also refers to the newer models, hardware clones, and even emulation, with links to the appropriate satellite articles. These two articles expand upon the information presented in the main article. It doesn't need to duplicate the history, the technical specifications, or any of the other information presented in the main article. As it is, the AV Famicom and the NES 2 are not the same system: they share a similar form factor, but have different histories and were produced for very different reasons (the AV Famicom was created to address the problem that older model Famicoms could not be hooked up to newer Japanese TVs). In principle, I could see merging both articles into the main NES article, but I feel that such a solution is inappropriate here, given the length of that article. Merging this and NES 2 implies a relationship between the two systems that, frankly, does not exist. To me, it seems roughly analgous to merging Game Boy Color with Game Boy Advance: they have similarities, and share a common heritage, but they're manifestly not the same thing. – Seancdaug 00:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Your GB Color/Advance comparsion doesn't work. The Advance is a huge upgrade, a 32-bit handheld over the 8-bit Game Boy, as well as having different cartridges and a horitzontal orientation. It is clearly the successor to the Game Boy Color. Yes, the reasons behind the AV Famicom and the NES 2 are different, but I don't believe this alone justifies the article division. - Hbdragon88 04:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
It's not just the "reasons behind" the systems that are different, though. The only factors uniting the two systems are that they feature a similar (though not identical) form factor and are redesigns of the original NES/Famicom console. Again, different histories, different hardware (connectors), and different role in the marketplace. I can understand wanting to merge both into the main Nintendo Entertainment System article, since that's a logical place to discuss variants and clones of the system. That's not really an acceptable solution in this case, though, because the NES article is already so long. But while I grant you that, ultimately, both the NES 2 and the AV Famicom are intellectually encompassed by the NES/Famicom article, they are different enough from each other that if we're going to deal with them as seperate from the "mother" article at all, we should recognize that they're not the same thing. I don't really see the problem with the current setup, anyway: neither article is a stub, and each links to the other. I also don't quite understand what benefit the researcher would gain from a merger, and suspect it would overemphasize the similarities between the two. Above and beyond the fact that they're both NES derivates, I simply do not see enough common ground between the two for a merger to work. – Seancdaug 06:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)