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Launch date

As stated in the following (recent) article, Jules Verne will be launched aboard Ariane 5 in early 2006 [1]. Matevzk 07:39, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Now, I'm a bit confused. It seemed like we now agree on the launch date, but this article states otherwise again: The antennas (to be installed during a March 28, 2005 EVA) will be used by the Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV), an unmanned cargo ship developed by the European Space Agency, for docking operations during its first delivery *later this year.* What's real and what's not? --Matevzk 21:20, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
That article is obviously out of date. I just read an article [2] on space.com that said that the ATV has been delayed and will first launch in 2006.
Correction: Just read your article, and I just noted this text: The antennas and GPS unit will be used during docking operations by the European Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) spacecraft when it docks at the ISS next year. So it's not out-of-date, you just misinterpreted it.

bob rulz 10:14, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Would user 217... please stop making uninformed edits? The article stated precisely that AleniaSpazio is to produce the pressurized cargo section, while the ATV itself is assembled in Bremen, Germany. Your edit is non sense. Check up your facts and change appropiately, or I will revert your vandalism. UsagiYojimbo 14:12, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) It would be nice if people would register, anyway.

100% in agreement, I have had to revert his edits twice. How can someone imagine that a Prime would subcontract Final Integration ??? Hektor 20:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Question

Just a question: How much of really new materials technology has been used in the ATV. I'm talking about Kevlar, new ceramics, and state-of-the-art computer-technology? It doesn't appear to be a very advanced design at all.

why would you need ceramics on an ATV ???Hektor 06:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
look, carbon fiber and titanium: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/ATV_water_tank_P1220789.jpg --66.251.27.177 (talk) 23:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

ATV in Bremen or Torino

I don't know what to do. Misleading info is constantly uploaded about the integration process of the vehicle. Could someone find a reference so that user 217... stops his constant reference to Alenia producing the ATVs? Interesting case study of how erroneous and misleading information propagates though.Hektor 13:01, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is the best I could find at once; [3] I'll keep checking, though :) --UsagiYojimbo 14:12, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nice but I doubt this guy is reading the discussion anyway. 82.127.253.146 00:02, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

How many Flights

Just a question: how many flights will the ATV be making? The article says 6 are contracted but is this likely to be extended? It would seem a bit of a waste spending billions on development and then only making half a dozen flights.Subzero788 06:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

How many flights?

Just a question: how many flights will the ATV be making? The article says 6 are contracted but is this likely to be extended? It would seem a bit of a waste spending billions on development and then only making half a dozen flights.Subzero788 06:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Probably less than 6. In particular, they are trying to use the money earmarked for one of the ATVs to pay for the Exomars overcost. Hektor 14:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
One (cited) source says Jules Verne is first of five. Should we make the article conform to that? Sdsds 16:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

ATV Evolution Scenarios

On the ESA Homepage are Plans described for the further Development of the ATV. It seems to me, more up to date than the part: "Abandoned ATV Evolution projects", which was genaratet in the mid of 2006. I think this should be erased.

with friendly greetz --Fenrisulfir

  • Congratulations my gullible friend, you have replaced accurate information by ESA propaganda. The reality - which was stated in the piece you have erased - is that there is no ATV Evolution project underway. Please revert. Hektor 14:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

And from which source do you have your "Accurate Information"? In fact, I beleive more the Press Realeases from the ESA Homepage, than your predictions out of your Christal Ball. --Fenrisulfir 15:51, 18 Februray 2007

Mission schedule

  • There is no possibility of launch of the second ATV in 2008; the integration of this second flight model has not started yet. Hektor 23:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Volume = 9 tons?

In the dimensions, the ATV's volume is given as 9 tons. Now, last time I checked, a ton was a measurement for mass, not volume. So, shouldn't this be more like "Payload = 9 metric tons (or 9000kg)"?

Or are we talking shipping tons here...?

It's also not quite clear if the volume corresponds to the total volume of the ATV, or to the payload sections.

Is there anybody in the know? -- Syzygy 08:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[4] has a full 'spec' of the system. In one place it says 7667kg including fluids, in another 7500kg. The volume of the cargo area is (by approximation using other measurements as a guide): length 3m, plus the 'funnel' to the hatch; diameter (external) 4.480m for an estimated internal diameter of 4.1m, for a volume of around 40m3. Peter Ellis 07:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

"unsourced" Categories

The article has been written largely from the ESA site and has references and external links aplenty. I can not see how to remove the "unsourced" Category tags, which (IMHO) are not adding to the article, or the urgency for more referencing. I urge someone to add a few more references AND remove the silly tagging. Peter Ellis 06:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The "unsourced" category entry results from the "citation needed" after the sentence "Contracts and accords have been signed for six more ATVs, which should be launched about once every year." (This is in the "Development" section.) The best thing would be for that sentence to get supported by the citation of a specific source. If none can be found, the sentence (and the "citation needed" tag should get removed. Sdsds 14:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

First launch probably delayed to 2008

According to this: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/03/30/212964/vega-third-stage-engine-fails.html

the first launch has been probably delayed to 2008 (the first half of the article is about Vega, but at the end it includes informations about the ATV) --151.44.171.136 22:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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