Talk:Automail

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[edit] User:Automail

Thanks to User:Michael_Hardy, I realized that I should have posted my request for help and so forth on this page rather than on the actual automail article. This is my first attempt at a wiki article. I encourage your support and or criticism. Also, be aware that the sections about each character’s relevance to automail is somewhat lifted from the cited internal wiki links. so restating the above noted.

"hey guys, this is the first article i've ever written for wikipedia, so if you could please help edit some things when come across this page. Your input is greatly appreciated!"

[edit] Categories

Well, for our first real order of business here, it is completely unecessary to invent an automail category, since this would be the only article it contained. Try finding an existing one about cybernetics. --Tjstrf 18:43, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I just realized that. Thank you. I just thought it helped in some sort of search index kind of thing. I had no idea.
Since automail is a unique topic, it doesn't belong in a category. Did you create the cosplay category as well? That one could actually be useful, so long as people actually use it.--Tjstrf 22:59, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oh

I'm thinking of including instructions on how to create automail of your own, and maybe add some pictures of automail. Mainly the first edward elric automail, and then the ones he uses after the scuffle with Scar. However, i think i must read up some more about the rules of adding pictures. -- Automail 22:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Make sure you reply, not just make a new topic in the discussion section.
I suppose you could add that information, but only if you have personal experience with it. --Tjstrf 22:59, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That is actually how I came across this unfortunate lack of information. I have just handmade a set of automail for the arm, the simpler winry design. I wanted to match it up with the actual automail, so i turned to wikipedia. Thus the articles is spawned from the loins of a person in need.--Automail 04:03, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hey, nice one. I have been using aim for so long I am forgetting how to express myself. Thank you for fixing that, I was having a bit of trouble wording it. By the way, is this a proper reply? --Automail 03:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yes, yes it is. I'm assuming you have read the manga, judging by the image you posted up. There are so many minor characters we could include here, and some of them aren't even on the main character page. (Pinanya, for example) Time to dig out my books and zip files, as well as get some of the newest chapters. --Tjstrf 03:48, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Character Links

I don't know. putting the links on the actual header looks a bit gaudy. I rather have it in the article itself to keep the appearance more cleanly. It is still citing the source more or less, yet keeping the focus on the headers consitent. --Automail 07:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am following the precedent set by the main Fullmetal Alchemist page, and it also serves to point out the lack of character sections for certain people. It also declutters the main body of the text slightly, and makes it so that we do not have to redundantly use their name in the body of text in order to link to them.--Tjstrf 08:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think it's always a good idea to alternate between names, nicknames and third person references. It adds healthy variation and stops the monotony in my opinion. Besides, it's not too redundant, and the links radiate more of the "wikipedia" artistic flare in my opinion. The names were already present in the section, nevertheless you are right in the sense that it limits the author's ability to freely express himself within the content. That's journalism for you. <chuckles>weez cough</chuckles>
--Automail 08:41, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] We completely overlooked something!

There is something else called automail which is completely non-related to the world of Full Metal Alchemist. Some program that automatically sends mail to a list of targeted victims. It might not happen anytime soon, but eventually someone will want to add this bit of information to article. The irony is killing me. Click here and it might kill you too. Just look at the title!

--Automail 08:50, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

'Tis indeed ironic. This might be a good time to change the article name to Fullmetal alchemist (automail) to avoid confusion.--Tjstrf 3 July 2005 03:06 (UTC)

That's not irony, is it? It's just a coincidence. A very creepy coincidence. -- MasterXiam 22:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

It is coincidence. and the article shouldn't be Fullmetal Alchemist (automail), it should be Automail (Fullmetal Alchimist) because the article is about the auto mail, so it should come first RauJ16 15:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I came up with this on the spot (revised)

This is a hybrid of a scientific explination and an alchemic explination for the power source of automail.

Theoretically and logically if alchemy is powered using alchemic energy, which stems from each person's inner gate, then that same alchemic energy can be used to power the automail. In today's everyday mobile prostetics, limbs are powered by amplifying the existing electrical energy left over by the nerves via outside electric input. The same is true with automail as the way it is controled is also derived from the small current emitted by the nerves.

Through the use of integrated circuits and motors, prostetics are made a bit bulky and less powerfull because of the materials and limited energy used. So anyway you put it, to achieve such automail performance, the automail's basic components must logically be created from alchemy for the type of effeciency represented. Such as the magnet to operate certain motors could be forged from alchemy to be more powerful. Moreover, I believe this in effect is used to amplify the signals of the connective tissue to the automail much like Ed's pocket watch amplifies his alchemic energy, although he really doesn't need it.

Anything that has a soul has an inner gate as seen when the priest forges the revival of Roze's boyfriend in the second episode of the anime by using the souls of birds.

So in theory, the same principle may be used to amplify the voltage of a person's nerves into the automail much like a strong magnetic field can amplify voltage in an electrical circuit (motors rely mostly on voltage rather than amperage anyway). Whether or not the user of the automail is aware that alchemy is the source of their mobility is not important. What is important is that it uses the power of the person's or animal's soul, later realized to be the inner gate.

And even though the first step of transmutation is understanding, the second step is decomposition through the use of alchemic energy, and the final step is reconstruction in which those atoms are reconstructed into something new. Ed states in episode 15 to scar,"transmuting in Alchemy can be described in having three steps. Understanding, decomposing and reassembling. You must be stopping the transmutation at the second step, decomposing."

Why not stop at understanding? Pinako's dog with the automail may not know alchemy, but it knows it was missing a leg and now it has a new fake one. That I think is enough understanding to use alchemic energy in powering automail.

all in all... don't take it too seriously. It's a show, and doesn't al move on his own regardless of automail and motors and such? just pure alchemic power.

Automail is much more about engineering and anatomical science that alchemy anyway.

It kind of makes you think if that was the real reason winry wanted to take apart Ed's state alchemist watch. (probably not)

--Automail 18:41, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


An interesting idea, though I'm not sure I agree with it. Unfortunately, this is not encyclopedic information (See the post below) and shouldn't be including in Wikipedia.--Tjstrf 3 July 2005 02:29 (UTC)

Automail is powerd by electricity generated by the muscles http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1214618.html is the place ive goten this information from and it seems theyv gotten info from an official source but i am unable to verify this. I of course wont add it but i would like to know if someone could verify it.NobleServent2 00:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)NobleServent2

[edit] vacation time

By the way, starting tomorrow morning... I leave my life and love for 3 weeks as i venture out into wilderness that is peru.

Execpt i'll be in the bustleing city and heart of peru, lima. Yes that's right! You figured out my secret, i am a peruvian. please don't slander me while i am away or my ethnicity (laughs). or libel. whatever.

bye!!! chiao, te veo en tres semanas!

And tjstrf, take good care of the article for me... please don't take off the html i put in because it is very important at holding some things on the page together. i also realize the post about automail energy was purely opinionated, however, seeing how there is no hard evidence, theories should be supplied untill the time evidence does surface.

feel free to add your own theories, but just don't take mine off... it makes a lot of sense when you analyse it. it's purely factual and concurrent with the series.

--Automail 03:30, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Style

Hello,

I guess the two people who have been editing this article are rather new to Wikipedia. Welcome aboard! I'd like to point out a few things that might be beneficial to you:

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style

Wikipedia:Naming_conventions

Great information on this article, by the way--however, it doesn't conform to Wikipedia's general style guidelines, which include "No original research," "NPOV," and "Avoid self-referential pronouns."

Again, welcome, and happy editing!

Jdstroy 2005 July 5 05:40 (UTC)

Well, I've been here for a couple months, so I guess that still qualifies as new. I have read the manual of style and naming conventions. I don't know about Automail except that he was very new when he started this article. I was gone for the last week, and the article got a bit messed up during that period. I'll start fixing it now. --Tjstrf 3 July 2005 01:54 (UTC)
On avoidance of self-referential pronouns, that is not a naming convention (which this article does not violate that I can see, except maybe that it could be better named Fullmetal_Alchemist(Automail), though that might violate the no hierarchies rule) but rather a style rule. Unless you are referring to User:Automail having created the article Automail, which is a special case because the article was created before User:Automail existed, and he named himself after the article, rather than the other way around.--Tjstrf 3 July 2005 02:25 (UTC)
No, no, I wasn't referring to that. Have a look at version ID 17805535 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Automail&diff=18172439&oldid=17805535) for this article. Section is "Automail's Energy Source", paragraph 2, which is not from official information. However, it has been corrected (and for a long while, now), so I'll remove the note from the top of the page. Sorry if I brought some confusion. And it looks like I forgot to sign my comment. Sorry about that. Jdstroy 2005 July 5 05:40 (UTC)

I understood how that was an error already. As a matter of fact, they went over it on the main FMA talk page and decided not to state that Automail was even powered by alchemy. What I didn't understand was how we violated a naming convention or avoidance of self-referential pronouns. --Tjstrf 5 July 2005 08:33 (UTC)

[edit] Bard isn't Bald

I recently put up a section dealing with the character Bard, who appears with an automail arm in ep.5 of the anime, but i've noticed that it has been changed twice to Bald. This could be petty vandalism, but it could also result from a perceived instance of the common Japanese pronunciation of l's as r's, I've checked the anime, and he is in fact referred to as Bard. In any case, Bard is by all means a more regular name than Bald, so it's most likely Bard. -LordHoborgXVII

[edit] REAL WORLD AUTOMAIL

This article needs to be updated to note this[1], which documents the first instance of real-life automail. It even follows FMA's explanation of how automail is powered. 68.189.82.81 04:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd think a link to artifical limb -- which is already present in the article -- would suffice. I doubt the people behind the particular prosthetic mentioned above got their inspiration from FMA. --Dr Archeville 12:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Article

I reformatted pieces of this article to make it more presentable and removed some of the errors RauJ16 15:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] article length comparison

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosthetic_limbs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automail

Thank God for Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IguanarayD: (talk • contribs) 11:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Automail.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)