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[edit] Rename index

Hi, I was thinking whether it would be wise to rename the List of Australian films to "List of Australian films: Index and resources" or something equivalent. We could still let all the links in the navigations showing it as before. I just want to prevent any debates on whether this is a list or a dab page. This way content stays relevant to title. What do you think? Hoverfish Talk 14:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Aren't these links the sources used in compiling the list(s)? They could also be in Cinema, but I find them relevant if the page isn't characterized as dab, or we'll have to put them in all the lists, which I find redundant. What about "Index of Australian film(s') lists"? It's an index all right, people can see where we got the matterial and we could add a short lead on the issues of inclusion/exclusion, and of what we red link and what not. Hoverfish Talk 14:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The truth of the matter is that there is not yet any nice and standard way we present the index of lists. Leaving out Germany and Russia/USSR/etc, which need some explainations on how we subdivide, I am trying to find a standard way now, and since The Aussie list has mainly english-language films, I thought it would be nice to refine it first. Not bad your idea on how to elaborate, but I would keep the text in the general lines of "Some of the most famous films that marked Australian cinema during this (or these) decade(s) are:..." But make sure you include only the most highly awarded and the top of the top grossing. Hoverfish Talk 15:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Ideally after each film, we could note the award or gross it made (but not in table form), so that the entries are not debated as POV and so that others don't start adding anything they fancy. Hoverfish Talk 15:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

We may end up with too many then. What you describe amounts to 30 films per decade. We are also duplicating a list that normally belongs to AFI. Could you play it by ear and reduce it to 10-15 films per decade? For the rest I find it excellent. My only problem in this and other cases is that this "gallery" option has too big of a margin, plus nothing can be done about it as it's a MetaWiki CSS property. I keep my fingers crossed we don't hear about the images. Hoverfish Talk 16:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I may delay with other matters at hand, so if you don't get at it first it may be much later today or tomorrow. No, I think we won't have to rename with your suggested format. No need for restrictive text if we define right what films we present. It may take us some edits to get it right. Also I would start with around 10-12 films and see where we are at, visually and informatively, before we fix it. Hoverfish Talk 16:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The article looks great. Excelent work! Later we can think of polishing the prose, but maybe with someone's help, as I'm also lousy in the field. My suggestion is to remove entirely the list of films from the Cinema article. A link to main article List of- is enough. If we miss any good films from the Cinema list section, put them in the List of-. This way the List of- would look more ...listy. I still think up to 15 films per section are ok. Now about the images, you should know, after all the huge discussion on free images, we may get some scrutiny. Many of the images in the gallery may be too big (their original size) to really be fair use (see The Cup). I know it's not your fault, I know they are small enough in the gallery, but the gallery brings them more in the public eye. Anyone clicking on one can see their original size. Fair use images should be about 200-250px width (low resolution). Also the rational given in some of my images states "for use only in the film article (Name)", like in Bliss. I could add to it. Maybe I am being too cautious, I don't know. I like to be on the safe side. Hoverfish Talk 06:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Oops, I just persume you started it. Don't change the gallery format yet. It is good for many images with lots of caption text, but looks oversize for a few images with just a short title. Let's see who did it and make sure we discuss cutting down first, so no one feels pushed aside. I'll check edit history right now and make a start. Hoverfish Talk 07:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

...but I see mostly you, so yes, let's cut down to two rows skipping images with larger originals, if you agree. Hoverfish Talk 07:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC) -- I'll play around a bit in the 70s images, no final move yet, open to comments. Hoverfish Talk 07:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

After the free image issue, Nehrams resized all his larger uploads, I think. It's a good idea, if you know how to go about it. I don't have any wiki-"external editor" which makes it easy, so I had problems resising some, but managed it finally. Also you have to look in "what links here" and make sure the image is used only in reduced size or you may hear from the uploader. I think the uploader should know, but I'm not sure if this really required. I thought you said you will try fewer images per section, but I let it up to you. For the moment I am trying a table format in the 70s and will let you know. If you want I can put back all the rest I discounted. No problem. Hoverfish Talk 08:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at the 70s and let me know. I have to run soon, be back later. Hoverfish Talk 08:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC) -- One thing to keep in mind: some people are still at 800x600 resolution, so let's not go any further in the width of our tabled gallery, or people may miss part of it (I think). You can try to swtich you screen resolution to 800x600 to see the effect. Hoverfish Talk 08:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes I noticed. I would only like to see a maximum of four images for every year of the biggest hits on just one line unless they can be reduced in size -otherwise they can't really be fair use. Also the rationale should be given for fairuse in the article. THe images are very important though ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Much more presentable the List of Australian films. It looks great!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

List of Australian films: 1990s for instance the number of images is about right for each year -it also looks very good ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I have now split the Italian films it was running around 100kb. I have also started the List of British films properly rather than rediecting to category but out of the lists this has to be one of our priorities I think. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 16:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as you guys deem best. Just make sure you look at what you do under various resolutions, because now I am on another machine set at lower resolution and it all looks different again. By the way I will be editing less in the next days, as my hard drive went stiff (something unformatted it), which means I need a new system now. Which also means that I will finally get to run AWB soon, so, for all practical purposes I'll be just marginally there for a while. Hoverfish Talk 16:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] List of Australian films

HI Pete. I noticed you haven't edited the Australian films for a while. I've seen that you've added it to many of them but please can you try to add details of the cast/director etc to the lists. Many of the lists have been empty for some time now. I guess your busy but even if it is just a few every now and again it helps. All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 09:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Razzle-dazzle-a-journey-into-dance-poster-0.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Razzle-dazzle-a-journey-into-dance-poster-0.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 17:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Mr._Messy.jpg

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Mr._Messy.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Jusjih (talk) 03:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Point of No Return / The Assassin

I was curious as to why you added the Cinema of Australia template to this film, as it is apparently an American film (main star, director, producer, studio, etc.) External sources identify it as American as well, so I will remove the Australian label. If you disagree, please do so on the article's Talk page. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 02:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Mr. Strong.jpg)

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[edit] WikiProject Films December 2007 Newsletter

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[edit] Image:Mr._Cheerful.jpg

I have tagged Image:Mr._Cheerful.jpg as {{no rationale}}, because it does not provide a fair use rationale. If you believe the image to be acceptable for fair use according to Wikipedia policy, please provide a rationale explaining as much, in accordance with the fair use rationale guideline, on the image description page. Some examples can be found at Wikipedia:Use rationale examples. Please also consider using {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Non-free. Thank you. Rockfang (talk) 08:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Films January 2008 Newsletter

The January 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have any suggestions for improvement or desire other topics to be covered, please leave a message on the talk page of one of the editors.Thank you. Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)