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[edit] Dean Geyer

Just noticed that he isnt on the albums chart. i know he peaked at #7 and was no ARIA certification but dont know how many copies where shipped.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.216.39 (talk) 12:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Miscellaneous

I feel this article should mention that there is a disclaimer that states that votes may or may not have an impact on the results of the show. Similarly, I know American idol holds pre-auditions, though I haven't heard about whether Australian does or not. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. 60.224.48.152 11:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Ryan (singer)

  • Why does this link to Australian Idol & not to his own page? Is there a way to dissociate them from each other? ZlatkoT 08:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is that dreadful picture?

What the fuck is that picture that looks like... a really strange Shannon Noll againsts the Logo. Methinks the pic should be changed to be the logo instead. LordMooCow 05:59, 3 Jun 2005 (GMT+10)

I concur — La hapalo 13:47, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I was scared the firsttime I saw it, which was today (the 28th of july) it looks like a photoshopped version of shannon noll, I mean the guy is scary enough but that picture takes the cake, anyway get a picture of JUST the logo-Anynonmous.

Get rid of it!!! Please!--Sultn 03:05, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The true moral..

I think the moral of the story is if you want someone voted out, write an article about them :P -- Chuq 02:41, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)


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[edit] Article for deletion: Daniel Spillane

Note: Daniel Spillane is currently being considered for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Spillane. --rob 09:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Was Joel Turner actually an "Unforgettable"?

I can't remember if he was or not, but isn't "Unforgettable" the category for the excruciatingly bad?

  • No he wasn't an "unforgettable", he originally auditioned in Brisbane & because his beatboxing was so memorable, it was a good marketing tool.ZlatkoT 14:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flynn

Shouldn't there be an article on flynn?

  • No, Zhuo Liu has not done anything credible apart from 2 small appearances on Australian Idol 2.ZlatkoT 14:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Information

At time of writing, Lee had been voted out one week ago, Emily was runner up, and Kate won. So why does it say Lee won, Emily second, and Kate third. I hope this isn't vandalism--M Johnson 00:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

This article has seen a spell of pro-Lee vandalism since he was voted out. Seems some people don't want to admit to themselves that he didn't win. Cnwb 00:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation on public opinion

I have removed the following passage, due to the fact it is based on speculation;

"Speculation informs that the public would have preferred the runners up to win. People would have preferred Shannon to win over Guy by abit, Anthony to win over Casey by a mile, and Emily to win over Kate alot."

Cnwb 05:51, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Still in chart?

Are the singles listed as (Still in Chart) actually still in the chart? I've heard that Kate's Faded has left the top 100.

  • I'm not sure myself, but it descended quite slowly down the chart so we will see soon.ZlatkoT 13:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ricki-Lee

I have noticed in a few weeks that Ricki-lee's album was in the Urban charts, so I was guessing that the album also stayed inside the Top 100 for a few weeks too. Could anyone please check if the album stayed in the Top 100 for more than 6 weeks (that is what it says in the Albums table)??????? RaNdOm26 06:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Yup just updated with the latest chart placings/tenure, only up until June 12 though.ZlatkoT 14:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
    • BTW what do you think about removing most of "Commercial success" which is pretty much explained in detail in CD releases?ZlatkoT 14:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
      • I have thinking about that too. The article looks rather messy also, it should be shortened in some way. But I don't know. Maybe some of the minor artists like Courtney Act or Marcia Hines should be deleted at the least. RaNdOm26 12:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Singles table

What do you think about the new singles table??? The old one was very big, so I made some new sub-headings. Should I change it back? RaNdOm26 07:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I like the presentation. Perhaps you could do the same with the albums table.

[edit] Split

I think this article should be split, a separate article for each season. I'm only suggesting this so that non-notable former contestants' articles can be merged with a shorter article rather than with this one, as otherwise I'd have nominated them all for deletion. A lot of them have good information in them, and it would be a shame for it to get lost.

jd || talk || 23:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Split This will allow the articles to obtain more information about the seasons and stop the Australian Idol article from getting too big in size. --Lakeyboy 04:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Should the new articles be named something like Australian Idol (Season 4), similar to how American Idol names their season articles????????? The new articles could include the semi-finalists as well. What do you think? RaNdOm26 11:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I named them Australian Idol year because the website currently says Australian Idol 2006, plus I'm not sure that there is consensus on whether Australian articles should be named season or series. I've already merged most of the finalists' articles where I don't think they are notable outside of Australian Idol. jd || talk || 11:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, but should they be renamed to Aus Idol Season 4 instead? I was only thinking that the naming of these articles should be consistent with the articles from the other world Idol shows. RaNdOm26 11:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
The stuff in brackets is for disambiguation, and if the season number can be included as a part of an article's name, I won't use the disambiguation; so I would not support moving the articles to names like that. If other people comment and would rather the articles were named like that, I wouldn't do anything to try and get in the way of that. jd || talk || 12:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, how about this. The show is not called "Australian Idol 2006", it's only called "Australian Idol". Having the title of an article as "Australian Idol 2006" tries to tell that the show is in fact called "Australian Idol 2006", but it isn't. The logo in the official website does NOT have the year "2006" at all. I do think it is more appropriate to have the title as "Australian Idol (Season 4)". Please reply. RaNdOm26 11:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm only going by what I see on the website. Australian Idol isn't the only show to not have a season number in the logo. Articles of other programmes that don't have season numbers in the logo are still named differently. The Amazing Race, The X Factor, some series of Big Brother, America's Next Top Model, The Contender, The Apprentice... I'm sure there's more, but I'm not going to start looking right now. jd || talk || 11:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to move the page Australian Idol 2006 to Australian Idol (Season 4), and the others, just to let people know - WP:BOLD (hehehe) RaNdOm26 08:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't do that. I've quite clearly disagreed with this, and nobody else has commented yet. Please wait for more people to comment before taking any action. jd || talk || 08:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, sorry, but I honestly disagree about keeping the article names as it is now. I might ask around, but I don't who might be interested. RaNdOm26 09:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You can disagree all you like, but there is no consensus to move the pages, and you moved them anyway after somebody said that they disagreed with the proposed moves. Also, I have shown that the official website says Australian Idol 2006; you haven't given me anything like that. Please provide something better than that, or wait for more people to comment. jd || talk || 09:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
What are you talking about? I looked at the website and I didn't see anywhere saying "Australian Idol 2006". You didn't show anything. RaNdOm26 17:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It says it in the title bar. The 2004 website also said Australian Idol 2004 on the front page, after Casey Donovan won. jd || talk || 17:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I gotta agree with JD on this one, the website definitely says Australian Idol 2006. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
This site does use season numbers though. RaNdOm26 14:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
That's a fansite; it isn't official. It also says Australian Idol 2006 on there, and I don't see them saying anywhere that their use of "season x" is to be considered official. JDtalk 14:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section lengths

Is it just me or is the "Commercial performance of Australian Idol contestants" section way too long? In comparison to the arguably more important section of "About the show" it's absolutely mammoth, not to mention the fact that it's just a long list of bullets. On a similar note is an infobox the most appropriate place for a list of finalists? If the show continues that infobox is going to be huge. What can be done here? -Lemike 09:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The section is most of the article. I think it can be cut down a lot as there is an article about all the commercial releases, perhaps a bit of text and a link? The rest of the article needs to be padded out a lot as well, as I'm sure there's much more to Idol than just two paragraphs of text. If it can't be padded out enough for the infobox to not be too long, I say just scrap it. jd || talk || 10:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism, commercial releases and categories

Okay, I will just explain clearly of my two recent edits. The criticism section in my opinion is wholly subjective and does not reflect on the scene of Australian Idol as a whole. The sentence, "The winners and runners-up from the show generally fail to maintain popularity past the airing of their respective series of the show." is definitely not true, as shown from a few of the Idol contestants. Some examples are Shannon Noll, which has had highly commendable results with his second album in 2005 and also performed well with his latest single in 2007 - this was nearly four years after he left the competition in 2003. Recently, Damien Leith has had his album went to #1 even though it was released 9 months after the 2006 show ended. This part of the criticism only holds true for a few of the finalists. The second part of the section reads how the "high sales" of the albums copied are actually measuring the number of copies shipped to the stores, then are mostly rejected. I know very well from the history of the contestants that this fact holds true for a handful of contestants, but not all of them. I would recommend this section to be reworded to comply with this; at its current state, it is biased in the negative side.

I agree that the commercial releases section is currently in a bad state and could do with improvement, but I am puzzled why the link to List of Australian Idol commercial releases was removed.

For the categories, I disagree that they should be removed. I believe they should be there to aid navigation between different cats. I research a little about this, and in WP:SUBCAT under the "Topic article rule" heading, it encourages having the article and subcategory being listed twice in a particular category. It reads, "the double listing sends the message to the user that there is an article about the topic, and there are also more articles to be found in the subcategory of the same name... It makes it easier to find main topic articles (by eliminating having to go to the subcategory)..." It think it is useful to have the article linked directly from the category, such as Category:Idol television series as well as a subcategory for further reading. RaNdOm26 14:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to add the categories back, it's not my preference but I see your point.
The 'commercial releases' section I felt was quite biased, but it's a lot better with my changes. Mentioning that a contestant was given a million dollars, apart from irrelevent to the section is irrelevent regardless and serves only to give a more positive spin on the show or the contestants. Little words like "just" and "only", however small, change a sentences point of view very dramatically.
The criticism section on the other hand, is sourced from the reference I linked. If you disagree with an article from the Sydney Morning Herald, I would expect you find conflicting sources and write that in to the article. Not to just revert the changes because of personal opinion or original research.
Thanks. The KZA 23:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Regarding about I am just basing by point from my own opinion and original research for the critcism, this source conflicts the one used currently, with mentions that Shannon Noll is defying critics that Idol contestants have lost their popularity and such, not what the criticism says currently the article. Note also that this source is also from Sydney Morning Herald. RaNdOm26 02:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Great, use that source to write in a counter point about Noll. "If anyone thought Noll was going to disappear, along with a slew of other Idol contestants, they were wrong" would be a great quote to use.
Also in regard to the 'neutrality' tag, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it applies. The tone of the section is not geared towards one "side" or another, it is written neutrally to represent the general view, however I don't mind leaving it there for the time being.
Cheers. The KZA 02:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shannon Noll's Album Certifications

Hey everyone. I created the table listing the album sales of the Australian Idol alumni, and I've just found an article on the Australian Daily Telegraph website that states that Shannon Noll's third album went triple platinum, therefore placing him number one on the Australian Idol alumni album sales chart. Was just wondering if people think it shoud be updated or left as it is. The website address is http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22822238-5006002,00.html if you'd like to look at it. Thanks. Ryan_wood16 22:41, 16 April 2008 (GMT)

[edit] Australian Idol Not By Year But By Series (Official)

In order to converge with the Standards set by the American Idol pages, as well as the press releases by Network Ten (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/03/australian-idol-2008-auditions-add-la.html), with the exception of media who names Australian Idol by the year number, the approach should be to reference the Australian Idol by series numbers. As such, we will stick with this approach unless there is logical reasoning to do otherwise. Please comment on my page if you have any issues with this. ~Teenchoiceawards (talk) 11:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea I'll get right into it -- Smiley Miley Disney (talk) 14:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

However, it is important that the move is not done by copy-pasting the text around, but instead by using the 'Move' button that will become available once your account is 4 days old. This will keep the edit history attached to the article, whereas a copy-paste move leaves it behind at the old title.

Basically, for GFDL attribution purposes, all the copy-and-paste moves that you did have to be reverted, the histories merged, and then a proper merge done. I'm going to put in the request to have that done. (Note: also posted on your talk page.) -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 18:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Please don't anyone do that again. Clearly there's going to be repeated problems with this c/p move at present, and so I've taken the unusual step of fully protecting the (season X) articles as redirects to the by-year articles for now until things are worked out in a settled fashion. At that point, I will unprotect all the titles to allow editorial things to happen in the normal manner, or standard requests can be made. Note that this revert+protect is solely to prevent repeated c/p moves in the interregnum and not because I am choosing one title over the other.

  • Anybody who does not see a MOVE button at the top of their screen must not copy the text of the article to elsewhere at any point, now or later. Please ask on this talk page or on e.g. Requested moves when, and only when, a clear decision on the titles is reached. Splash - tk 20:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is a bit of a scoop

"The show is hosted by music television emcee and television personality James Mathison and gold logie star Kate Ritchie." I don't think so! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.179.11 (talk) 07:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)