Talk:Australian Idol (season 4)

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The result of the debate was no merge. _JD^talk 10:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC) Why was Dean's page merged/redirected here? He had a perfectly good article, no other Dean Geyer exists (at least on wpedia) and the majority of the other AusIdol06 contestants have their own article. Am I missing something? -Lemike 10:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed it, along with some others which were the same. stupid idea to merge some here. Problem gone. --Lakeyboy 10:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

What exactly makes the people whose articles I merged with this one notable enough for their own articles? jd || talk || 10:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Not a good idea to merge articles, IMO. American Idol contestants have their own articles too. RaNdOm26 04:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

There a reason why merging is a bad idea? I actually looked at a few American Idol articles to see how they were laid out.

American Idol 1 has only links for each of the thirty finalists. Of these links, 14 were redirects to the same article, I felt that 5 were not notable enough for their own articles, 4 didn't exist, and one was up for deletion. Only six of the thirty links took me to articles that gave me the impression that the subject was notable enough for an article. American Idol 4 and American Idol 5 have information on each finalist in the articles, and also link to longer articles.

I think the articles I merged should have been merged because the only important information in them was about the subjects' time on Idol, and the rest of it wasn't notable. So again, I'd like to ask why you think merging the articles is a bad idea. Articles can be recreated later if finalists become notable for doing something notable. jd || talk || 10:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Some of the People are already notable in the Australian music industry, such as Guy Mutton, Ricky Bobby, and Chris Murphy. Obviously all of the finalist articles were written by someone more on the Australian Idol side of things than that of the original band members (If you understand me); In the least, those people who had a previous musical career should not be merged into this article. MichaelHenley _{(Page-Talk-Contribs)} 01:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Support - in 6 months, maybe 1 or at best 2 of these people will be notable. Merge. Maybe keep the winner seperate, or someone like Shannon Noel who remains notable. --Merbabu 13:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose: It has too much information to be squeezed into one section. Same goes with some of the other AusIdol contestant 06 pages. - Vicer 09:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

  CommentOther articles? What other articles? _JD^talk 12:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

  Comment re Vicer's comment that there is two much information, most of the info can probably be cut, it is hardly notable. As I said above, give it a few months and all this info won't be notable.

• Oppose merge, as per Vicer -- Ianiceboy 01:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment In Wikipedia:Notability (music), it says, "A musician or ensemble is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria", and for one of the criteria - "Has won or placed in a major music competition". RaNdOm26 04:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

  The notability guidelines are guidelines, not policy. I don't think that having competed in Idol is enough to make a person notable, as for some of them it's all they'll be known for. I didn't think articles about every contestant in a televised game show were normally created on Wikipedia. That's how I see this. A lot of the articles, if not all of them, only have information about the person's time on Idol anyway; articles about people should be about the person, not some show that made them famous. If a contestant later becomes notable outside of Idol, the article can easily be recreated, but with some information about their time on Idol. _JD^talk 08:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose: Dean in the next 6 months release a song and possibly an album, it would be pointless to merge the article.Feelinsoryan 07:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

  This merge is about twelve articles, not just one. What do you think of merging the other eleven? _JD^talk 08:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

  More to the point, he hasn't released anything yet. That's crystal balling. _JD^talk 08:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: How about having all of them in the article, but for the most notable pages sort of left out. What I'm trying to say is to give a short description of the person but link them to their own page. Vicer 04:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

  That's what I was doing in the first place - I merged only the articles of the people that didn't look notable at all outside of Idol. _JD^talk 17:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose Someone did this to about half of the season four contestants articles and the main Idol page looked scruffy and wikilinks no longer worked properly so I reverted those articles back to their original state. Squeezing twelve people into one article which already exists and has lots of information is not the right thing to do. If some contestants deserve to have their own article is another story. I'm refering to the fact nobody from the first season of The Biggest Loser has their own article. Not even Fiona or Adro. --Lakeyboy 05:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose: The individual contestant articles are too big too merge into this one. --Whats new? 08:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose: as per Vicer. -- Nicwright 10:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose - especially as he's now won the competition. Admin please close this pointless debate. - Richardcavell 00:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose I disagree strongly, especially for people such as Dean Geyer, Jessica Mauboy and Damien Leith. Being that they made it well into the competition, the deserve to have their own page. Major Despard 05:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose - this discussion has been on for far too long, and especially for Damien, Jessica and Dean - their pages should stay. I still believe all finalists deserve their own article, as what it says in Wikipedia:Notability (music). RaNdOm26 05:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose - There is no need for the contestants to have merge pages, being a contestant in one of Australia's biggest competitions itself is an achievement and they all deserve to have their own pages, especially Damien and Jessica, considering they are winner and runner-up out of 25,000 auditions and over a million votes cast to get them to the finals. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2006 124.187.177.198 (talk • contribs) 09:40, November 27 (UTC)

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