Talk:Australian Drivers' Championship

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Stillwell's car(s). Is it a Brabham-Repco or a Brabham-Climax? If there were Brabham-Climaxes, then why is Repco there? If it's a sponsor, then do we need to look up sponsors for all cars, or just the ones Repco were involved with? The parralel to draw is the recent Jaguar F1 team. The team wanted the engines to be referred to as Jaguars, but everyone else called them Cosworths as they were the same as engines being used by other teams. Similarly the Repco-Brabham phrase, it's comparable to the recent BMW-Williams F1 team. While they are referred to in entry lists as BMW-Williams, when broken down into the convention of Chassis-Engine they became Williams BMW. Are we to have one rule for some and not for others? Reason I ask is the list of cars used by the Gold Star champions I have looks like this, 1957 Davison, Lex Ferrari 500
1958 Jones, Stan Maserati 250F
1959 Lukey, Len Cooper T45 Climax
1960 Mildren, Alec Cooper T51 Maserati
1961 Patterson, Bill Cooper T51 Climax
1962 Stillwell, Bib Cooper T55 Climax
1963 Stillwell, Bib Brabham BT4 Climax
1964 Stillwell, Bib Brabham BT4 Climax
1965 Stillwell, Bib Brabham BT11a Climax
1966 Martin, Spencer Brabham BT11a Climax
1967 Martin, Spencer Brabham BT11a Climax
1968 Bartlett, Kevin Brabham BT23D Alfa Romeo
1969 Bartlett, Kevin Mildren Alfa Romeo
1970 Geoghegan, Leo Lotus 59B Waggott
1971 Stewart, Max Mildren-Waggott
1972 Matich, Frank Matich A50 Repco
1973 McCormack, John Elfin MR5 Repco
1974 Stewart, Max Lola T330 Chevrolet
1975 McCormack, John Elfin MR6 Repco
1976 Leffler, John Lola T400 Chevrolet
1977 McCormack, John McLaren M23 Leyland
1978 McRae, Graham McRae GM3 Chevrolet
1979 Walker, John Lola T332 Chevrolet
1980 Costanzo, Alfredo Lola T430 Chevrolet
1981 Costanzo, Alfredo McLaren M26 Chevrolet
1982 Costanzo, Alfredo Tiga FA81 Ford
1983 Costanzo, Alfredo Tiga FA81 Ford
1984 Bowe, John Ralt RT4 Ford
1985 Bowe, John Ralt RT4 Ford
1986 Watson, Graham Ralt RT4 Ford
1987 Brabham, David Ralt RT30 VW
1988 Onslow, Rohan Cheetah Mk.8 VW
1989 Onslow, Rohan Ralt RT20 Holden
1990 Kane, Simon Ralt RT21 Holden
1991 Skaife, Mark Spa FB003 Holden
1992 Skaife, Mark Spa FB003 Holden
1993 Skaife, Mark Lola T91/50 Holden
1994 Stokell, Paul Reynard 91D Holden
1995 Stokell, Paul Reynard 91D Holden
1996 Stokell, Paul Reynard 91D Holden
1997 Bright, Jason Reynard 91D Holden
1998 Dixon, Scott Reynard 92D Holden
1999 Wills, Simon Reynard 94D Holden
2000 Wills, Simon Reynard 94D Holden
2001 Kelly, Rick Reynard 94D Holden
2002 Power, Will Reynard 94D Holden
2003 Gaunt, Daniel Reynard 96D Holden
2004 McFadyen, Neil Reynard 95D Holden
2005 Caratti, Aaron Dallara F304 Renault
2006 Clucas, Ben Dallara F304 Opel
Bearing in min that wikipedia is intended to be a global resource, and that any local conventions would need to be explained, should wikipedia obey convention, or the whims of financial arrangements Wikipedia was not involved in? --Falcadore 07:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I used data published in www.camsmanual.com.au and www.formula3.com.au fo rmy listing. I knew that there was information missing from these but I was driven by the Wikipedia requirement to quote verifiable sources, so I considered it better to use what I could find rather than add facts (eg engine manufacturer) which I could remember but not easily quote sources for. Having said that I think your list is 300% better than the published lists that I used for the article. If the changes can be verified, lets improve the list.

The reason why Brabhams were referred to as Repco-Brabhams in Australia in the mid sixties was due to a marketing arrangement that Repco and Brabham had in this country. Hence these early models were known as Repco-Brabham Climaxes, Repco-Brabham Fords etc. Not really sponsorship in my opinion. Unfortunately I don't think I have any verification for this. Just a vivid memory of having read it in a Brabham history book some years ago. I certainly agree with your view on Chassis / Engine as the rule for formula car descriptions, unfortunately sometimes constructors don't want to follow our rules. Cheers, GTHO 09:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sources for this include the Chevron 50 race Australian GP book, a couple of Tasman Series websies, which by co-incidence are also listed as sources for the Tasman Series article, with some data coming from an F5000 site... --Falcadore 10:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1969-71

I note there those series are listed as AF2 series. Weren't they Formula 5000 series that just happened to be won by a AF2? If mutiple classes ran in the series it should say. Similarly weren't Formula 1 eligible for at least 1980 ADC? --Falcadore (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I have amended the table with the relevant CAMS formulae names. This does not provide an explanation of the year by year components of these formulae but I believe that would be better addressed within specific articles for “Australian National Formula”, “Australian Formula 1” etc rather than on the ADC page. GTHO (talk) 02:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)