Talk:Auschwitz Trial

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Contents 1 Anti-Polonism 2 Najwyższy Trybunał Narodowy 3 Difference: Execution site and date of Höß

[edit] Anti-Polonism

Andreas D.C. 22:37, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I do not see what was "Anti-Polish" in the Krakow Auschwitz trial, I suggest therefore deleting this new and misleading link. I do not question the general merits of the article on anti-Polish sentiments per se. However, during the prosecution, the prosecutors did not concentrate on the crimes against the Polish victims per se, but on the crimes against all victims.

To link this article now to the "anti-Polonism" site (and not to the, say "anti-Semitism" or the "anti-homosexual" site) shows an unfortunate bias. I guess we could all agree on the fact, stated clearly in the article on Auschwitz, that many victims from different groups suffered and were murdered there. This was what the trial was about.

"A lot" of Poles died in Auschwitz..--Witkacy 22:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Andreas D.C. 23:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC) NOBODY disputed that here. this is also clear from the Auschwitz article. I have actually talked to some of the Polish survivors, which was a very humbling experience. You have, however, not considered my argument, which is: why you linked to "Anti-Polonism" but not to other groups of victims? This shows a clear bias, sorry, my friend.

"why you linked to "Anti-Polonism" but not to other groups of victims?"

Why do you remove Anti-Polonism, instead of adding links to the "other groups of victims"?--Witkacy 23:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I really don't understand what the relationship is between the Krakow Auschwitz trial and anything other than "Nazi concentration camp major trials". I don't see use of any further categories as being vaguely consistent. I would return to the original comments:

I do not see what was "Anti-Polish" in the Krakow Auschwitz trial, I suggest therefore deleting this new and misleading link. I do not question the general merits of the article on anti-Polish sentiments per se. However, during the prosecution, the prosecutors did not concentrate on the crimes against the Polish victims per se, but on the crimes against all victims.

I find myself in thorough agreement with them. These appear far more compelling than spamming in all kinds of additional categories to this article so as not to privilege anti-Polonism, the relevance of which is capably argued against. Buffyg 23:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Andreas D.C. 23:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC) see above. you showed bias, I tried to fix that. It clearly doesn't make sense to link here to all the different groups of victims. This is the page about the trial, not about the camp as such. Your argument ("a lot" of Poles died in Auschwitz) would be valuable for the discussion on the main Auschwitz page, not here.

Andreas D.C. 04:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC) Dear Witkacy, instead of - sorry - stubbornly re-including "Anti-Polonism" here, without adressing the arguments raised by Bufyg & me, maybe you should a) first try to convince other users why your link doesn't constitute bias and b) second, why you would like to include it here rather then, if at all, on the main Auschwitz page, as suggested earlier. I still would find that unfortunate (for the reasons given above), but at least I could see the point in doing so, rather then in ther article on the TRIAL. thank you. Don't take it personal, I'm always in favor of a goood debate.

I don't see how adding AP link would hurt. The people were tried for crimes relating to AP. I think adding more categories (like Anti-Semitism) would be better then removing them, unless they are already duplicated somewhere in the category hierarchies. However, as a less controversial and perhaps more related see alsos we may add History_of_Poland_(1939-1945), German camps in occupied Poland during World War II and most definetly World War II atrocities in Poland. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Najwyższy Trybunał Narodowy

What's the connection between those trials and Najwyższy Trybunał Narodowy (see Polish wiki pl:Najwyższy Trybunał Narodowy)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 13:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Difference: Execution site and date of Höß

The page on Rudolf Höß (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Hoess) states that he was executed on April, 16, 1947 in front of one of the crematorium buildings at auschwitz, while this page states that all death senteces from this trial were executed on January 28, 1948 at Krakow. Could someone please verify this? tnx

2006-09-06 Also, how can it be that Rudoel Hoess was executed in April 1947 (as also stated in the article about Rudolf Hoess and on [[1]]) if the trial started in november 1947? Can someone make this clearer?

So far as i´ve seen on Law-Reports, there was a seperate trial on Rudolf Höß in Warsawa 11TH-29TH MARCH, 1947 - Source: Law-Reports of Trials of War Criminals, The United Nations War Crimes Commission, Volume VII, London, HMSO,1948 - http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/WCC/hoess2.htm. So his sentence felt in Warsawa. In Kraków there was a preliminary stage. I dont know the source.

--Asdfj 10:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)