Talk:Augustus III of Poland

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Moved photo of portrait and titles on coin (front and back) here. Perhaps someone can just place the photo of the coin in the article?

• Heraldry of August III of Poland, SRI (Holy Roman Empire) Saxony Elector and King of Poland with the Pahonias of Lithuania and Polish Eagles (see coin on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45156&item=3948700503&rd=1)

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[edit] Louis de Silvestre portrait

of August III the Saxon has been removed from this article, while the same painter's portrait of the king's father, August II the Strong, remains in place. Why? logologist|Talk 18:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicated portrait

Why is the August III portrait duplicated in the article, instead of the other portrait that was once there being reinstated? logologist|Talk 16:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

"en.wikipedia.org: The database copy for this wiki is marked as broken, please check manually! "--Matthead 21:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] renaming efforts of Appleseed

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) directs this king to be at "firstname + of + Poland", and forbids the use of nickname in article title, particularly whn the nickname is not greatly known in english usage. Therefore it is totally clear that this king cannot be at "August III the Saxon". Henq 18:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

As this rename obviously rises controversy, the appropriate thing to do is to start a WP:RM survey if you insist on moving it to another title. --Lysy^talk 09:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Before you come in and talk about what is appropriate, practive what you preach and bring it up at WP:RM yourself. Charles 16:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer Augustus III of Poland. What I objected to, was your way of handling this against WP rules. Once you've realised there's no consensus to move you should have used the WP:RM procedure to see if there's wider support or opposition to the rename, instead of edit-warring. I'm certainly not going to editwar with you on this article, but I request that you revert the rename yourself and follow the appropriate procedure instead. Thanks. --Lysy^talk 18:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

My move was totally supported by the naming conventions and would have been moved anyway. Rather than trying to make this retroactive/whatever, refrain from causing "further" disruption, if that's how you see it. This sort of thing has been done many times before. Charles 19:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

That is your opinion, but controversial moves on wikipedia should be supported by consensus. You were aware of the controversy, since Appleseed objected it and asked you [1] to use WP:RM. Yet you've ignored it, and pushed your POV. Now you're refusing it again, and trying to provoke an edit war with me instead. Once again, I kindly ask you to consider reverting your rename in filing a proper WP:RM. --Lysy^talk 20:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Union of Krewo/Act of Kreva ring a bell? You must get used to this word: No. My mind has been made. I put careful thought into my edits at Wikipedia and am not provoking an edit war. If anything, you are losing your grip and you will start an edit war. The fact of the matter is that I applied the proper (i.e. most widely used) name to the article and that is what is going to stick. I considered it briefly for the sake of playing the devil's advocate but my answer is no. Charles 20:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You are right. Thanks. --Lysy^talk 05:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

There've been a number of votes on moving Polish royal articles back to anglicized names. As far as I am aware, every single one has seen overwhelming support for the anglicized form, at least. I don't see why we have to go through this for every single article. john k 20:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Both forms here are anglicized of cource. It's a different issue. --Lysy^talk 21:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

"August" is not anglicized, it is a German and Polish form, and while it is sometimes an English given name, monarchs with that name are always anglicized to "Augustus." john k 16:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I missed it as I focused on "Saxon". --Lysy^talk 20:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)