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[edit] Tags tags tags

Seriously, let's resolve some issues in the next week or so to get all the tags off this page. It look so parochial right now. I'll be around, the neutrality should be an easy place to start. --drmartini 22:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Comment

*I apologize in advance for the 'randomness' of what follows. I'm just not currently in a state to do it the 'right way', and I think for all purposes related to this article, this will suffice*

Not sure why the title of this discussion page includes: "We don't have an article called "Audio engineering"" Guess that's wikipedia's friendly error message when no discussion topics yet exist. Anyway..........

Please stop moving your current/favorite school to the top of the list. I made it alphabetical, and I think it looks good. If you think I am somehow favoring one place over another, find another system of organization (e.g. alphabetical by state; by year founded; etc.), but don't just continue to move one particular school to the top of the list. Also, please try to post a direct link to the homepage of the PROGRAM, not just the school (e.g. www.ais.edu).

One last thought, at this point, with places like "Full Sail" and other giant campuses just for this area of training, shouldn't there be a seperate article soley for either audio engineering/production OR 'media' production (Full Sail being an exmaple I can think of; I've seen where the video students film a performance by the music theory/performance students, and the lighting tech's do their thing, and the live sound guys run the FOH stuff, with other groups recording audio to tape or running in-ear monitors...that kind of thing) schools? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.114.145.238 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is Columbia College in Chicago not on the list of schools? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.29.94.189 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 6 Oct 2006 (UTC)

Is the statement about the uselessness of many degrees appropriate? Stizz 15:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Stizz

Yes, that is absolutely necessary for such an article. 4.january 2007-Anonymus.


"It's worth noting that a formal engineering degree is usually worth nothing if it's not accredited by a national or international accreditation organization, such as EurIng, NORDING"

I am sorry, but in 25 years as a professional audio engineer, I have never met anyone with one of these accredited degrees. As a matter of fact, many of the most successful recording and mixing engineers have no degree whatsoever! Stizz 17:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


I have to ask why a site such as this http://www.audioracle.com/Articles/Schools/AudioSchools.php

Is listed as it is not an authoratative resources for this subject at all, and excludes many schools and options for audio engineering learning, not least the distance learning solution of http://www.audiocourses.com for one and there are many many more!

Well, regardless of how you feel, advertising audiocourses.com is not allowed. Veinor (talk to me) 22:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

No I dont want to advertise, I in fact think it is a very suitable link for the area, being a verified audio engineering qualification with staff as members of the Audio Engineering Society. And even if it the resource was not entered, I still feel the resource for that audio schools site is limited and frankly very under-represented and does not indicate exactly what is our there for apsiring students.

It seems to me that advertising http://www.audioracle.com/Articles/Schools/AudioSchools.php should not be allowed here, as it only lists 5 schools that have paid to be listed there. The Mix directory has well over 100 programs listed, and should be sufficient for American students.Stizz 21:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I am working on "audio engineers" as in the "scientists and experimenters involved in the history and current development of electromechanical loudspeakers." To that end, I feel some sort of delineation between the two is in order so that in the future the categories and lists are topic specific. Ancjr 09:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this article has a somewhat narrow definition of what an audio engineer actually is. Audio engineer is a very broad term, and the article seems to indicate that a recording engineer and a sound engineer are the same thing. Well, I tend to disagree. I actually am an audio engineer, but I am not a recording engineer. I design and plan large-scale, permanent audio installations in places like concert halls, convention centers, hotels, churches, etc. While I am fully capable of operating a mixing board or any other piece of audio gear, I do not get paid to mix audio. I'm sure that people like sound effects designers or foley artists would consider themselves audio engineers too, but not recording engineers. I think that a clear distinction should be made; and more research should be done before writing such a matter-of-fact article. Snottywong 00:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Snotty, I think sound engineer is descriptive of a person that manipulates, records, and otherwise works with sound. I think your profession would better be described as a audio room designer, or an acoustical engineer, or something of the like.Therminator 02:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Not sure why someone removed someone's edit adding SAE institute, and my edit adding recordingjunkie.com. But signing in and having proper discussion should be done. Especially when leaving other links that are similar such as NORDING, or the sound and lighting link that is less relevant to audio engineering than recordingjunkie which is audio engineering specific. If content and quality are an issue, neither NORDING nor the uk sound and lighting links should remain. Better resources, such as pro-soundweb.com or gearslutz.com would be higher quality communities. Please sign in before deleting and at least discuss why or why not things should or should not be included. Thank you. Therminator 03:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it is correct to not list links to schools, because it quickly gets out of hand as has been seen here. As regards "Communities", I am not familar with the other sites listed and discussed, but I am adding gearslutz, as I find that to be a highly useful and reputable site with a very active community of audio engineers.Stizz 15:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Why then delete those other audio sites, while keeping NORDING and EURLNG which noone seems to know who they are. I feel that your removing the other schools and other sites, but selectively leaving others that noone is familiar with is biasing this entry. If those are to remain off then we should remove all sites until they are discussed. From past discussion it seems that other schools were listed in the past, in a non-biased alphabetical order. Aside from that, Gearslutz is a good one to remain I agree, but UK sound and lighting is not. I also think NORDING should be removed since it doesnt seem they are english speaking for the most part, this is the ENGLISH version of the wikipedia, nording might be more at home on the Nederlans version? S! Therminator 20:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The main problem here is the title. The article seems to refer only to recording engineers, who, as mentioned, tend to be high-school dropouts, musicians, technicians, or anything but graduate engineers. What do we call the guy who designed the microphone or the ADC? --Ampwright 17:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nording

From the nording.org website: "Nording is a collaboration between 11 engineering societies in the Nordic countries. Nording represents 390.000 engineers and scientific professionals in Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden. The main objective for Nording is to work for increased welfare and sustainable growth based on technology and science." I do not see how this organization is significant in any way to an article about Audio Engineering. I move to delete this link, and I will, unless there is a reasonable substantiated objection. Stizz 20:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Stizz, not to mention the fact that this is the English WIKI and few native english speakers will find a nordic site useful. It is better at home on a different language WIKI. I have removed Nording and the comment that an engineering degree is useless without accreditation by nording. I also removed a link to a smaller engineering forum, that is currently too small to be considered of equal footing as gearslutz or a similar board.Therminator 01:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's not what the article said. NORDING is the accreditation board for Scandinavia; f.ex inside Norway, the accreditation board is called NITO. In the EU in general the board is called EURING. I don't know what the US and such has, but the issue is that a bachelor and masters in engineering requires an accreditation board if you're going to "brag" about it. An accreditation board has thousands of engineers behind it to back your academic engineering degree. If there is no accreditation behind it, you might have gotten a diploma by mail. It is important to mention the role of accreditation in the academic field of engineering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.220.64 (talk) 09:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable engineers; redlinks

(am moving this discussion here from indivual talk page as it may interest others)

I would suggest deleting the redlinked ones, or creating articles, as if they do not have Wiki articles they are not of note.--Epeefleche 09:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Redlinks are just Wiki articles that haven't yet been written.  ;^)-- Binksternet
Often because the person is not notable. If a non-notable article is written, it is speedily deleted, resulting in a red link as well. Unless someone plans to write articles that pass the speedy delete test in the near future, I would delete the red links as lacking indicia of notability.--Epeefleche 17:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest that if the notability of the redlinks is not reflected within a month, that they be deleted. They can always be put back when their notability is reflected by an article being created. I'm concerned that non-notables have been added to this list. Another possiblity is to limit the list by another objective criteria, for example making it limted to notables who have won Grammys.--Epeefleche 08:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree quite strongly and I've reverted the redlinks. I have no problem with red links; they indicate a potential page. Not notable? Not hardly. For instance, Neil Dorfsman engineered Brothers In Arms so well the album won a Grammy for Best Engineered, Non-Classical. To me, that's notable. Binksternet 06:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Leon's delete. If notable, write bios, and put them back in. If they survive the speedy delete process, they will stay. We have a speedy delete process to make sure that non-notables do not clutter up Wiki. It should not be subverted by creating reds. They have been red for over 2 weeks now.--Epeefleche 12:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that the field of Audio Engineering is a very small and unnoticed one by the general public. The fact that an engineer doesn't have a Wikipedia article does not at all mean that they are not a notable or excellent engineer. I agree that a page should be created but they should not just be blindly deleted because they have been "redlinked" for a certain number of weeks. One good way to check their experience, which is one of the best ways to determine the skill of the engineer (they wouldn't get work if they really sucked), by looking them up on All Music or something of similar function. --PM - PhilyG talk 02:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality dispute?

The main article is tagged with a neutrality dispute and I see no discussions related to general neutrality on this talk page; there are only disputes of a few individual items. Let's either have one or remove the tag. Scott Johnson 15:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, or in some cases it's clear there is a consensus, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. Better yet, edit the article yourself with the improvements in place. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted. Done!Jjdon (talk) 22:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mechanical-Electrical and Digital-Analog oppositions

An audio engineer is someone with experience and training in the production and manipulation of sound through mechanical (analog) or digital means.

I think this is misleading in that audio can be transmitted via physical(or mechanical, depending on how one uses the term) or electrical media, and it can be in analog or digital format.

A better definition may be:

An audio engineer is someone with experience and training in the production, manipulation and transmission of sound through physical (analog) or electrical (analog or digital) means.

(I think its pretty safe to disregard the hypothetical transmission of a digital signal via a physical medium). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.14.188 (talk) 04:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Formal and Accredited Engineering Education

I was editing this page and inserted a comment about formal engineering and accreditation and I listed a school of engineering, such as the University of Miami, but it was removed. Can anyone explain why?. There is listed on this page, an organization called AES and a school called SAE, which deals with professional audio engineers and different education, but they lack formal engineering accreditation from an engineering accreditation board, and such education includes extensive mathematics and physics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B0ef (talk • contribs) 20:03, 4 November 2007

It was probably removed because it looks suspiciously like a commercial link, as the edit summary states. TheIslander 20:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Commercial link?; the University of Miami?. Since when did we stop linking to a university?. Besides, the link there to the SAE school is also commercial. What gives?. This is an article about audio engineering and we can't link to an audio engineering university?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B0ef (talk • contribs) 20:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The user who removed my comment also removed the link to SAE now, but the issue still remains. Are we not allowed to link to a university?. The link I want there is a link to the university of Miami, where a bachelor or masters of engineering in the field of audio is aquired. The term engineer is a professional title, but few in the audio engineering world really has such a degree. I think it's important to link to this site because it explains in detail what a formal and accredited engineering degree is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.220.64 (talk) 08:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)