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[edit] Five regions of auckland

Was very surprised I couldn't find any mentions of the five distinctive regions of auckland: central, west, north, south and east. They each have their distinctive flavour and don't match up with any of the formal "cities" or whatever that make up auckland. This how people will commonly refer to where they came from, I fairly equally would say I come from either south auckland or manukau.Likewise those out east/west etc.. say the same. Mathmo Talk 04:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The fact is that they ARE informal, and thus badly suited for an encyclopedia. There is some reference to them in the jafa article, which we might at some point rename 'Auckland stereotypes' ;-) MadMaxDog 05:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hibiscus Coast

Avenue, is Hibiscus Coast really considered part of the Auckland *Urban* area??? Seems a bit "far out"? MadMaxDog 02:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, at least according to Statistics NZ's 2001 Urban Area classification. See my comments above (under Talk:Auckland#Definition.2Fboundaries_of_Auckland_conurbation) for more details. -- Avenue 05:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thats fine. I sort of thought you would know what you were doing. It's just interesting that Auckland urban sprawl is also advancing in official terms ;-) MadMaxDog 05:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm certainly not infallible, so it's good to query my edits if they seem odd. And I'm not claiming that the map is now perfect; the 2001 classification said that Kumeu should be included and Waiheke excluded, for instance. I decided I'd wait and see what the 2006 version says about those parts, before changing them. But the Hibiscus Coast was a big enough omission that I felt I should do something about that. -- Avenue 10:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
So is Waiheke included now? Map shows part in grey (why only the central part, there are a few houses in the west too, aren't there?) and it certainly feels like an Auckland suburb in some ways. MadMaxDog 10:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Based on the list of 2006 urban areas available from Statistics NZ here, I suspect that the definition hasn't changed much since 2001. In particular, it sounds as though all of Waiheke Island is still classed as a separate minor urban area (like Waiuku, Helensville and Warkworth), and that Pukekohe is still classed as a secondary urban area which is also separate from the Auckland urban area. If noone objects, I'll remove the grey shading from Waiheke Island in the map, but I'd rather not change Kumeu until 2006 urban area definitions in terms of area units are freely available from Statistics NZ. -- Avenue 12:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Takanini

Takanini is actually still in Auckland, that's Auckland Region not Auckland City, and is located within the boundaries of the Auckland metropolitan area. Yes it is in the Papakura District and what did you mean by "thieving aucklanders"??! People living in Papakura are aucklanders as well. The address you saw on the fonterra website is correct: Takanini, Auckland, New Zealand. --HannahSamuels 22:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Climate

just wondering: no info on auckland's weather. Rain/Sunshine hours/average temperatures —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.155.218.151 (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

Will see about it - I think there was something in a comparision site I saw once. MadMaxDog 10:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Not sure exactly what MadMaxDog is asking in his edit summary, but the present version is inaccurate - gadfium's version was better in that Auckland is not subtropical - its warm temperate, the temperatures are too low for subtropical. The bit about 20 degree nights is not up to scratch. In general, climate descriptions need to come from authoritative meteorological sources, not the views of the general public or of tourism-related or city-promotion related sites, especially as NZers tend to use the term 'subtropical' very loosely, as the Brits do. (Fiji's tourism industry would suffer if Auckland really was subtropical). Kahuroa 19:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Look at the edits closely, Kahuroa. The edit as of Gadfium was exactly what I was referring to - I did not change it, I only repaired the web cite in the interim until we decided on a revert, rephrase or keep. I have no strong opinion on this, so somebody with more knowledge would better ascertain this. MadMaxDog 07:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, all I was saying in the above was that I think Gadfium's version is better, and why... sorry if that's not what it sounded like Kahuroa 07:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Then go ahead and revert it. I just had done so much reverting recently that I was getting suspicious at myself doing it too quickly (reverting just because I didn't like change in my favorite articles?) MadMaxDog 09:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Done, with minor change for clarity re coastal location. Kahuroa 10:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Education

would like to see more related to this in the article, like universities. --Billymac00 04:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

See Category:Education in Auckland.-gadfium 05:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It's very hard to have a list of the top few schools in Auckland. Until last night, we listed Auckland Grammar and Auckland Girls Grammar, then someone changed the latter to Epsom Girls Grammar, and Auckland Girls was readded.

I have little doubt that Auckland Grammar and Epsom Girls Grammar have a place on any list, but I don't think Auckland Girls Grammar is in quite the same league. There are several other schools which should probably be included, but we have no objective criteria for which schools belong.

Can anyone suggest a reliable external source which provides a list of the top secondary schools in Auckland that we can quote? If not, I suggest all schools be removed from this article.

There is a similar problem with the following paragraph about tertiary providers, except that there are considerably fewer general tertiary education providers to list and most of them have already been added.-gadfium 19:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite convinced that one to-and-fro edit is a sign of a major problem. Why not leave it as is, and see if it really becomes one? MadMaxDog
Metro did a cover story on top schools in Auckland a few months ago (cover had schoolkid models on front), there is some dispute on their methodology. I get the impression it's hard to compare schools due to some doing NCEA and other not, and various different deciles and private vs public. - SimonLyall 10:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
To be honest I don't understand why we need to have such a list anyway. Perhaps listing the largest might be better? Which (i think, need confirmation) are Avondale, Rangitoto, Mount Roskill and Auckland Grammar. Other than that, i say remove it.Jimmynzboy (talk) 04:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "AUCKLAND URBAN AREA"

Noticed we have a map titled that, though also another typical way to describe the auckland region is what the Auckland Regional Council covers. So a map such as the one here could be used? Mathmo Talk 23:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The Auckland Region is much bigger than the Auckland urban area (as defined by Statistics NZ). Here is a map of the region with the urban area highlighted in red. -- Avenue 00:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong Picture

The Map of Auckland as shown on the article is incorrect. This map shows just Auckland City and not the whole region. Could somebody please edit it, and color the whole region red. ?? --HannahSamuels 07:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is about the Auckland metropolitan area, and not the Auckland Region. Having said that, I agree that the area shown in our map does not extend far enough, and it would be good to correct it. An official map is available from Statistics NZ. -- Avenue 08:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Housing

It may be a bit outdated to say that the standard section in Auckland is 1000 metres squared.

I totally agree, so I changed it to read that this WAS traditionally the norm, but then left the bit about how infill housing has changed this. Jimmynzboy (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maori name

Hi. I have re-added the Maori name to the infobox, because Maori is an official language of New Zealand that is equal in status to English, and Maori placenames are also officially-recognised (by New Zealand Post, for example). Infoboxes conventionally contain all official names of a place, not only English variants. For example, the country infobox of New Zealand also contains "Aotearoa", and the country infobox of Belgium also includes the German name. Including the Maori name here does not mean that "Tāmaki-makau-rau" is officially recognised in English, nor does it mean that the official name of the town is "Auckland Tāmaki-makau-rau" as User:MadMaxDog stated in his or her edit summary. A similar implementation can be found at Welsh and Scottish localities in the UK - see Wrexham and Aberdeen. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 08:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It would be good if we could all discuss this at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board instead of here, as it covers more than just one city. Thanks. MadMaxDog 08:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sister cities

Didn't we have a twinned with section at some point? I am confused. MadMaxDog 11:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Were you thinking of Auckland_City#Sister_Cities? -- Avenue 15:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Whoops. Of course - "Auckland" is NOT a city. (*Wiping egg from his face*). MadMaxDog 12:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My editing

I'm removed a lot of POV which seems to have plagued this article particularly by someone who is so critical of the city's public transport, air pollution and the city's planning policies. this is an encyclopaedia not a place for personally motivated complaints about the city. Michellecrisp 07:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Future growth should not be part of history. Michellecrisp 08:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Michellecrisp, I think its sad that mentioning some of the most fought over planning policies / future issues of this city lets you fall into the trap of "Oh, he must hate this city!" thinking. If anything, I am guilty of overemphasizing stuff because I like this city very much, and want it to change. But I'm open to criticism, as I have hopefully shown.MadMaxDog 09:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that 'Future' and 'History' clash somewhat. However, there is a clear continuum in the section, and I am loath to change that - for a reader, the connection from past (development) to present to future development of the city surely makes most sense in that order, in one section. MadMaxDog 09:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the changes. Article is more NPOV now. no I don't think it's "I hate this city" syndrome just that personal opinion was entering in. this is an encyclopaedia. I don't have a problem with significant issues being presented as long as it conforms to NPOV. as they say there's usually 2 sides to a story. Michellecrisp 11:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rough guide

Recently, user:markrushmore added a link to the Auckland Rough Guide website to this article, I removed it. Said user then placed the below messsage on my talk page. I am copying it here, with the intention of other people maybe weighing in on it as well?

QUOTE

Hello,

I see that you recently deleted the link that I only recently added. I believe that it is a legitimate link for the following reasons:

1. Many other places (cities and countries) have links referring them to travel guides which are useful for that area, as they contain information regarding that area which is not included in the article. Hence there should be no reason why my link to the Rough Guides website should be any different. Unlike many others, the Rough Guides website does not have extensive advertising on it, but rather, it provides a large degree of useful travel information.

2. As you are probably aware WikiTravel has a number of external links referring people to their own travel guide. In the Auckland example, I added an external link as Wikitravel has failed to do so for this location. Surely if adding external links can be done to a series of other locations such as New York by Wikitravel, it should not be restricted for less well known places?

3. The fact that there are links to Wikitravel would suggest that information regarding travel is considered to be appropriate for the Wikipedia website.

I fully understand that there is a need to prevent people from merely advertising on Wikipedia, as this is not it's purpose. However, I hope you will agree with me that in this example, it is not a matter of advertising, but of providing a highly important link that is legitimate as it has a basis in precedent.

Kind regards,

Markrushmore 15:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)markrushmoreMarkrushmore 15:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Unquote
Markus, I still disagree with you - if you absolutely want to, reintroduce the link - however, I am sure that over the long or short of it, it will be removed again by others. Rough Guides sell their guides. Their website content (which, if you look closely, is not that extensive on Auckland at all, 1-2 pages), is 90% already in the article. I do not agree with your advertisement argument either - their site is plastered with... ads for the rough guides they are selling!
We would be hyprocrites in allowing Rough Guide links, when at the same time, we delete small websites trying to sell photo prints of commercial photographers - those too, might be argued to have benefit to the users. In fact the photo galleries I am thinking of (and which I deleted when they were spammed all over South Island articles) contained lots of good photos, that were interesting to look at, even in smaller resolution. Didn't matter.
Linking to the wikitravel does not mean anything, because Wikitravel is a wiki - in other words, a cooperative, non-commercial link. Finally, you may check the recent edits - as it turns out, I could actually use the Rough Guide link you gave - it is now in the standard references, as a source for the 'largest Polynesian city in the world' claim. If you feel that other material in the Rough Guide should be in the article, feel free to add and reference it via the standard ref link already there. But I am quite serious about it not having any standing in the external links section. Cheers MadMaxDog 22:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I would add that if we link to Rough Guide, we should also link to every other travel guide site, and that would rapidly overwhelm the article. The solution is for sites to add themselves to DMOZ (which I have no connection to), and for Wikipedia to include a DMOZ link (however, DMOZ seems to be down at the moment).-gadfium 01:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear all,

Thank you for your response, that certainly clears things up a bit for me with regards to how Wikipedia works. I will look into areas where references or links would be more appropriate.

Thanks once again,

Markrushmore 08:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)markrushmoreMarkrushmore 08:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auckland Meetup in August

Just thought I'd mention the upcoming August meetup - see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 3. Cheers. Ingolfson 09:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Climate chart

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temperatures in °C • precipitation totals in mm
source: Niwa Science climate data
Imperial conversion

I see someone has added a custom climate table to the article. Good work, but there are already two templates to portray this more graphically: {{Infobox Weather}} and {{Climate chart}}. They don't provide for the number of rain days, however, and the latter gives only metric measurements and doesn't include the annual measurements.

Here's the data presented first as a climate chart, then as Infobox weather. I'm putting them on the talk page rather than in the article for discussion on which format is preferable before changing the article.

I prefer the climate chart, but the template is currently up for deletion, and some people have noted accessibility issues with it. I've used whole numbers in the Climate chart because I think the chart looks better that way, but the template can accept decimals.

The infobox weather could be collapsed down to fewer lines by placing both metric and imperial measurements on the same line by just changing one parameter, but this would make it too wide for most screens unless we reduced the number of decimal places shown. See the talk page of the Infobox weather template for discussions about adding meaningful colours to such templates.-gadfium 20:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Weather averages for Auckland
Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Average high °C 23.3 23.7 22.4 20.0 17.4 15.2 14.5 15.0 16.2 17.8 19.6 21.6 18.9
Average low °C 15.3 15.8 14.6 12.3 10.0 8.0 7.1 7.6 8.9 10.5 12.1 13.9 11.3
Precipitation mm 75 65 94 105 103 139 146 121 116 91 93 91 1,240
Average high °F 73.9 74.7 72.3 68.0 63.3 59.4 58.1 59.0 61.2 64.1 67.3 70.9 66.0
Average low °F 59.6 60.5 58.3 54.2 50.0 46.4 44.8 45.7 48.0 50.9 53.8 57.0 52.4
Precipitation inches 2.95 2.56 3.70 4.13 4.06 5.47 5.75 4.76 4.57 3.58 3.66 3.58 48.82
Source: [1]
  1. ^ Climate Data and Activities. NIWA Science.


Hey Gadfium, I added that table for a couple of reasons, the previous one didn't do Auckland justice and I was sick of people saying that the weather in London is the same as NZ (maybe only Invercargill...) Anyway I think that alternative that you have put here in the discussion page looks great and should be added. Would be good if rain days could still be kept somewhere within the article. I notice this is the format that London uses for climate and if the old format is being phased out then may as well stay ahead of the curve. Cheers Homesick kiwi 08:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the above is a bit too strong in terms of all the heavy, dominant colours used. Jumps at you a little too much. Also, some of the darker colours make the text hard to read... Ingolfson 11:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I just switched Avenue's suggestion for the infobox picture back into the main, and replaced it with another, as I felt that the Westhaven picture was well-composed - but for an infobox picture (which is very small as well!) it was too filled with other stuff to serve well.

I have added another picture, but I am aware that it may look a bit brooding - again, the small size makes it look worse. I'd suggest Image:Aukland night.jpg if it wasn't already in the article (what do people think about a night shot?) or Image:Aucklandqueenmary2.jpg if people think it should be replaced. Or we just wait for a sunny day... Ingolfson 11:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that one does seem a bit dark. I've replaced it with the Queen Mary one. -- Avenue 14:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I actually prefer the night one, it gives it a nice effect, as seen in the Dubai article, I think the current photo is good but the night shot is better suited, jus an opinion. (♠Taifarious1♠) 02:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early Māori and Europeans

I took out the reference to 'introduced plagues' while editing this section - mainly because I couldn't think of a way to rephrase it. Would help if the diseases involved were named from some source, since 'introduced plagues' is strange wording and 'diseases' is not much better - leaves too many questions, whereas if we knew the exact disease(s) in these plagues it might help. Probably don't need to mention this anyway in an article like Auckland?? Kahuroa 23:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This article does not meet the Good Article criteria, and will not be listed at the present time. I don't see how it even can be called "A-class", either. There is much work to be done, and the article is largely incomplete. At best, I'd rate it at a mid "B-class", and have removed the "A-class" rankings on the article, as it is a joke to grade this as an "A" (no offense here, but I'm just being honest). I noticed also that the article was subsequently nominated for WP:FAC as well, and listed for peer review. It's not appropriate to nominate for both GA & FA at the same time, as they are two separate processes, with FA being the "best of the best" and GA meaning that it meets some basic standards of an encyclopedia article and has "good" information. Furthermore, it's useless to nominate for both simultaneously because once an article achieves FA status, it's GA status is removed. Most articles usually are not dually-nominated for either FA & PR, or GA & PR, although this is less of an issue because PR does not assign a status to it. But be advised that the PR system in its current state is not working very well, and suffers from a general lack of reviewers. You'll be lucky to receive more than about 1 or 2 comments on the article, and may end up only receiving the automated review, which is next to worthless. But feel free to keep it listed there anyways,... who knows.

I'll try and address most of the issues below, based on the Good Article criteria. So this is a GA Review; although it should also be noted that I obviously do not believe the article meets the Featured Article criteria (which are similar, but far more stringent); so I predict it will fail FAC.

Referencing is insufficient, and is very scarce in sections, with some sections not having any references at all, and there is some important data with no citations at all. There's also quite a few lists in the article as well, which should be converted to prose. The sports section looks like just a collection of random facts rather than a good, well-written section describe sports in the city, and how they relate to the population.

The history section is very short, and is missing a lot of information. It's only got 5 references, with much unsourced. The future growth section should be largely reduced to one or two sentences, and combined with the history section. It is generally advised that articles avoid future population speculation, because they can be very unreliable. An entire section dedicated to this is asking for unfamiliar editors to add to this and make wildly speculative statements.

Instead of two subsections in 'geography' covering 'volcanoes' and 'harbours and gulf', combine this into one section called 'geology', as it's all related to the natural features of the area. The separate subsections are unnecessary. The 'climate' section is good, but absent is information on the 'neighborhoods' or 'cityscape' (major parts of town, how are streets organized, where are the residential, industrial, and commercial parts of town, etc).

The economy section is insufficient. It seems overly broad, beginning with, "Most major international corporations have an Auckland office, as the city is seen as the economic capital of the nation." Which corporations? We should be more specific. Don't list them, but some should be mentioned. A statement like, "The most expensive office space is around..." really doesn't tell much about the actual economy, and is kind of unnecessarily glowing and flowery. Flowery language should generally be avoided.

The last two paragraphs of the education section are just lists in disguise as prose, and "being amongst the most famous" is kind of flowery language again. Editors should really go through the whole article in better detail, looking for more flowerly language. More information on public school systems and private schools, as well as some of the more notable and reputable areas of research for some of the higher education institutions, should be provided.

More flowery language can be seen here: "Positive aspects of Auckland life are its mild climate, plentiful employment and educational opportunities,..." I would also recommend changing the 'lifestyle' to a 'culture' sections. The subsection entitled 'culture' in the 'people' section really deals more with demographics, and should be titled as such (which conforms to the title of most sections in wikipedia articles). Recommend eliminating the 'people' title and calling the section just 'demographics' - religion can become a small subsection under this.

I'm not getting the purpose of the 'housing' section. It seems like it would be better covered as a subsection under geography, and more information should be added regarding all the neighborhoods in the city. It's largely incomplete, though.

The transportation section is confusingly written with multiple third & fourth level headings that are making it look very fragmented and information doesn't tie well to the overall section very well.

The famous sites section is just two lists of some tourist attractions. I would recommend eliminating the section entirely and adding it to the 'culture' section, as cultural attractions. What about adding information on any annual cultural events or fairs in the city?

Lots of information is missing. There is nothing in the article about the city government (government section). There is nothing in the article about local media (newspapers, television, radio stations; media section).

All of the images meet the GA criteria, except that the coat of arms image in the infobox does not have a fair use rationale.

A minor issue is the formatting of the references; they are mainly just external links. Full citation information should be included here (author, title, publisher, date of publication, date of URL retrieval). This is so that, if the URL ever becomes a '404 not found', the reference can still be used to track down & verify the source and do additional research on the article. Please see WP:CITE for more information on formatting references and inline citations in articles.

I would strongly recommend looking at some of the current FA & GA articles in WikiProject Cities as examples. There are also two templates for city articles in that wikiproject as well; although they are geared towards US cities and UK cities, they are likely to still contain good information on improving any city article, and have a good system for the organization of content into sections and/or subsections (though too many subsections are discouraged).

Also, take a look at the manual of style and WP:LEAD, for information on style and the intro section.

I think I've covered the major issues with the article. It may not be complete, but it should be good to get editors started at improving the article up to GA status. Hope this helps! Cheers! Dr. Cash 05:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The nominator was not one of the regular editors here, and simply did a hit-and-run nomination. That said, thanks for 'friendly criticism' the article (oh, sorry, you were just being honest). Shows a lot about what I consider broken with the rating process (fair cup re FA, though THAT process certainly forces articles into a rather dry mold, if you object to simple phrasings like the one you mentioned even for GA). Ingolfson 15:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
In other words, I'd rather keep some of the 'flowery language' (about which I contest both the definition and the specific cases mentioned) and keep sections like on growth (which is a major public issue) than chase the approval of a small group of reviewers. Ingolfson 15:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Climate

The extreme temperatures cited were wrong. Highest temperature is in fact 34.4C at Albert Park and lowest -0.6C. (Font: New Zealand meterological Service,). Also no snow fell at Auckland centre in 1939, just in its suburbs and only for less than a hour wthout any accumulation to the ground. It is worth to point it out otherwise readers may be mislead. Thanks. Maximiliano Herrera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.138.166 (talk) 10:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The source cited was [1], which gives the extreme temperatures as 30.5 and -2.5 degrees. We cannot accept new figures with only a vague source as you give above.-gadfium 22:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WHAT!!??

Where is the explanation as to why the city is named "Auckland"!!?? This is key information and I find it astonishing that it is not included in such a well developed article..Kotare (talk) 03:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The information you seek is covered in the article History of Auckland. The origin of the name is not particularly interesting, but feel free to add it to this article if you wish.-gadfium 09:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
There is also some inconclusive discussion of the derivation of "Auckland" in the Bishop Auckland article. (The title of Baron Auckland actually refers to the nearby village of West Auckland.) -- Avenue (talk) 10:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

Anybody agree to adding "Queen City" to the list of nicknames in the infobox? It's still used frequently in news media, so I reckon it should be added. Opinions? Loud noises (talk) 10:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sitting on the fence on this one. I've heard it, but then I have done a lot of research on Auckland. Care to provide a few examples? Ingolfson (talk) 10:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with it being added, perhaps as '(formerly "Queen City")'. We do refer to it in our article on Queen Street.-gadfium 19:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I know, but I'd prefer current examples. I'd be somewhat opposed to putting a FORMER nickname into the infobox. Article space, sure. But not the box. So we should check whether its really still being used. Ingolfson (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
See NZ Herald for recent examples of its use. It is definitely a current, though not an official, nickname. Loud noises (talk) 09:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
"Queen City Rocker" was a 1986 movie derived from the name. It crops up over now and then - SimonLyall (talk) 09:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, okay, convinced me. Its fair enough to mention it. I've added it with a little explanation.Ingolfson (talk) 09:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sport

Just a quick note, shouldnt there be some mention of the 2 instances that Auckland hosted the commonwealth games in the past? It seems pretty important to the sport and even history of Auckland. Taifarious1 05:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, should certainly be added to History of Auckland. Maybe a single line in the "Sport" section" too.-gadfium 06:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)