Talk:Atze Schröder

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in imdb his name could be looked, and with these information also his adress and telephone number. [ http://dastelefonbuch.de/?kw=Hubertus+Albers&ort=Emsdetten&cmd=search ]

lol nice! this war around his real name was the silliest thing he could ever do! --Krassonkel 17:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, if this is a war, has Wikipedia become the battleground? WP:NOT#SOAP --B. Wolterding 17:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

that's right. i didn't give a fuck for his real name until i saw the wikipedia-atze-article on the german news site heise online.

--deratze 17:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I've gotta say that the whole issue reminded me of a quote from "Fight Club" (albeit in slightly modified form): "The people you are after are the people you depend on. We buy your records, we attend your shows, we watch your movies while you sleep. Do NOT fuck with us." 82.10.159.18 21:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Redirect 2 no valid reason for editing 3 Real name 4 Notable 5 Inclusion of real name

[edit] Redirect

I think a redirect from Hubertus Albers to this page would be apropriate ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.184.68.198 (talk) 23:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

has hubertus-albers.de been grabbed yet? --Mikli 16:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] no valid reason for editing

I don't care very much whether you mention Albers' real name or not because I don't care about him (I had hardly known his name before the most recent affair started) and this guy is getting far too much publicity for his crazy lawsuits anyways. But this explanation for reverting is ridiculous. The sources are valid sources, and it just discredits the user to describe especially the German Patent and Trade Mark Office as "improper or no source". So please either provide us a valid reason for your edit (and you seem to be aware enough of the whole affair to know that there are), else it seems only reasonable to revert. --Ibn Battuta 12:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Real name

Please stop inserting the artist's real name into the article. You might want to have a look at WP:BLP#Privacy of names. --B. Wolterding 15:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable

The article tells us nothing about why we should be interested in the subject, just some vague controversy about the performer's real name. This isn't worth an encyclopedia article, IMO. There are also no secondary sources, just press releases and websites. Steve Dufour 02:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

If you speak any German you should have a glance at the :de version of the article. The relevance exists without the slightest doubt.--Nemissimo (talk) 01:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion of real name

There is a longstanding controversy (see edit histrory) whether the real name of the artist should be mentioned in this article.

Brief summary for those who are not familiar with the topic: The subject of the article is a German comedian. The name is a pseudonym; the artist never uses his real name in public, and does not want it to be published, neither on Wikipedia nor in newspapers, etc.

There are actually some legal proceedings around that before German courts; while these are not of much relevance to the English Wikipedia, let me also summarize them since they seem to be at the root of the controversy: The artist sued a German newspaper after they published his real name. The court decided in favor of the artist; this case is now at an appeals court. The artist also litigated against a member of the German section of Wikimedia foundation; there was never a formal agreement, but de facto the real name was removed from German Wikipedia, and the court case was withdrawn.

See also:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive249#Atze Schröder
• Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Atze Schröder

My personal opinion is that we should "do no harm", per WP:BLP, and remove the name. --B. Wolterding 16:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If it can be supported by multiple reliable sources, we should keep it per WP:UNCENSORED. I can't imagine how he could possibly have a legal claim about us, it's just his name! If he sends a nastygram to the WP:OFFICE, they can decide, because they're the ones whose job it is Wikipedia from legal threats. There's no formal BLP issue here - the fact that he would sue over the name shows that it's relevant to his significance and notoriety as a whole. <eleland/talkedits> 22:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)