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archive historical revision - rather than explicitly creating an archive page (which needlessly copies data), this neatly links to the last revision before removing archived sections. It also serves as a handy marker to the exact point where archival occurred in the history.

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[edit] Question which you inspired

Thanks Travb (talk) 04:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey ATren, sorry to admit that your talkpage is always on my watchlist, but consider it a good thing, I added you since some incident involving that renegade rouge admin that we all know about, to see if you ever need help. Anyways hope you don't mind if I comment here -- haven't spoken to you for a while. With regard to admins getting treated differently, do I need to mention the countless times JzG has been incredibly incivil to both you and me and other wikipedians, including swearing and other such name-calling -- without even so much as a warning placed against him? Then we have the fact that JzG FOR SEVERAL WEEKS kept a link on his talkpage flaming both you and I, which is against wikipolicy - you cannot have attack pages offwiki (or for that matter on wiki), especially from an admin - and his used all kinds of colourful language about you and me -- directly linked from his userpage, the cheek. Then he was recently involved in removing someone else's off-wiki attack pages (I think you were in on this issue) -- and during the whole time he had this link on his userpage -- the hypocracy. This came directly after he had my evidence page about him removed from my userspace (and I use the word evidence page very strictly -- there was absolutely no attack it was very civil and respectful) and just recently an admin asked him to delete a so-called 'evidence page' in his userspace that he had been harbouring for over a year. I didn't get to see its content, but he admitted the issue was long over. But still? The guy is perhaps wikipedia's ultimate admin hypocrit. Swear, be incivil, punish people for off-wiki attack pages all-the-while keeping his own, removing other peoples harmless and constructive evidence pages, all the while keeping his own.
Do admins get treated differently? That one does. Rfwoolf (talk) 09:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

…for the note. Don't worry, I didn't take anything personally, it was clear there was a lot of history there. I know defending your record can be an exhausting thing, and I respect your need to move on. Appreciate the note, though. -Pete (talk) 04:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dethzone

Give him a break, please. Dethzone obviously doesn't fully understand the rule that people are allowed to remove messages, and the general unspoken rule to not repeatedly repost the message. He may have thought that JzG hadn't read it and posted it again, and all Steel did was "sorry not today" without explaining why. You've given him his first warning. I think it's premature to start discussing blocking.

TOAT and JzG have told him to start contributing, and I think he's making a good-faith effort by creating an article in his sandbox and asking JzG to look over it – which is far more than I can say about most newbie users who just charge straight ahead and dump their stuff into Special:Newpages and get frustrated and angry when administrators go A7 on it. We may have a good contributor on our hands here. He just needs a mentor and some guidence, and this "omg block" might scare him away. With Rudget gone, we need as much as much manpower as possible... hbdragon88 (talk) 06:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Read This Please

iHave Some Problems It Has To Do The Words You And That Other Admin Said About Me(In A Yelling Voice)iAm Going To Be A Book Writer/Director/Film Writer/Producer Theses Are My Dreams And iAm Just Testing It iAm Going To Finish It Soon There Will Be More(On Chapter Three)OK So Let Me Finish Also iDon't Know Whats Wrong With JzG But iAm Not Going Guess But Also The Story Is about A Band Called Dark Force Death metal/Brutal death metal/Metalcore/Extreme metal Band Its Still Not Done Yet So Just To Let You Know iAm Gods Soldier And Follower So A Word To The Wise Don't Make H.I.M. Take His Wrath On You He Will Do Alot To You Painfull Things Two More Things A Guy Questioned His Ability It Was On That Wiki Sandbox Also Don't Question His Abilitys And Sorry About Reposting Messages On JzGs Talk Page iAm Just Like A Robot From Aqua Teen Hunger Force Episode There Where Robots That Moved In Next Door To Carls Place They Were Annoying Very Annoying He Was On The Phone But The Robots Were Saying Carl Hang Up The Phone Come On Carl Hang Up The Phone iThink iMade My Point Now. -- NATHAN EXPLOSION (talk) 20:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to your early Dec. note to me -

Hi ATren, I know what you mean about the potential for flame wars, but I think that Wiki also provides an opportunity for working through conflicts, for bringing consensus into what might otherwise be a contentious situation. You might enjoy looking at some of the examples at Wiki success stories.

-- Martha (talk) 23:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Don't Feed the Divas

I moved your essay article to Wikipedia:Don't Feed the Divas, since such essays to not belong in the mainspace, but are fine and dandy with the Wikipedia prefix. This is simply WP policy, and is not a judgment of the article's content in any way. The original title, of course, now redirects to the new title. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 19:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

You can do it in user space, but not in main space as you did. Easy fix, though. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It's as OK as any similar essay in WP space. Actually, I think it's pretty much spot-on. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Permanent link archive method

Yuck. But, okay. TJRC (talk) 18:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/JzG2

Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/JzG2 - I know you've buried the hatchet, but at long last someone's actually taken him to task. But watch closely as nothing is done :) Rfwoolf (talk) 16:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clesh

Hi, if you can spare any time I would appreciate your input over on Clesh. It's a new article for a sister of FORscene. It is being proposed for deletion - wrongly I believe. Your ID is on the original discussion trail for FORscene and think the Clesh discussion would benefit from any input you can offer. Regards, mk (talk) 13:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC).

I'll take a look, but I was only slightly involved in the FORscene stuff and I'm not well-versed in these areas, so I may not have much to contribute. ATren (talk) 15:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UniModal

Hi, I think you might be interested to know that UniModal was deleted... and I set up a deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_5#UniModal. Feel free to comment or not. Fresheneesz (talk) 06:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not aimed at you

The comment was not aimed at you. Look at SkyTran (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), see the edit history, look at the history of the editor who wrote it. You could have asked, but I understand why you might jump to the wrong conclusion here. No big deal unless other people choose to make it one, I'd say. Guy (Help!) 13:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks/ your userpage

"I've gotten involved in a few protracted disputes - mainly because I have a difficult time walking away when I know there is a wrong being committed - but I've always tried my best to remain civil and respectful." I agree with this idea 100%- though my boyf always tries to get me to keep my head down to avoid stress:) Merkin's mum 01:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advice etc

"Nothing good will come from continued interaction with DS. Just let it go and let others handle it."

Thanks for your advice.

"but you really should watch what you write, both here and on WR. I searched through your comments on WR (assuming they're yours - and you don't have to confirm or deny that) and I found nothing extraordinarily bad, but you still shouldn't do it."

As you say, I don't think my comments were that bad. I have merely expressed my opinion on certain actions/edits that have happened on wiki. David is the only person I've mocked for himself- which was mean of me- it was nasty and it won't happen again from me about anyone. Rise above it.

"Remember, there are human beings behind those screen names."

I am well aware of it and that's why I would never advocate outing people etc. But if I think people have acted wrongly towards others here, who are also real people, I will comment on it- maybe briefly and civilly here now too though, so as not to be two-faced about it.

"and don't worry about that essay - you've apologized sincerely, and that's more than enough"

The thing is, he has said he might carry out some sort of threat of outing or something against me if I don't. As I don't want that, and no-one here can stop him doing that off site, I am at the mercy of his demand for this, so what can I do? Merkin's mum 12:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

"Tag team sockpuppetry" What people usually mean by that is people have two accounts on wikipedia with which they then back themselves up by for instance, one agreeing with each other or one making similar edits so they can circumvent 3RR or something. I have never used a WW account on here, nor any other. Nor have I been on WR saying "that Merkinsmum, she is absolutely right" :) or something like that. I used a different name there for security reasons due to problems with my Merky account, which I've kept for sentimental value due to it being named after my first cat, who then passed away. I was actually thinking of putting my wiki account name on my profile there, and was moving towards being even more open about it (some admins here already knew it was me). You can see I was moving towards it by some of my edits there, referring to myself and even the other day linking to a user subpage of mine and saying it was mine (this seemed to help the person with their outing- if I'd expected that from either side, it wouldn't have been from WP.) Merkin's mum 14:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I see your point now. But unfortunately I can't do anything about it and how it might appear :( , as I don't feel I can do any different in terms of the name, and thus out myself any more than has already happened, if that's possible.:) Merkin's mum 14:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] letting it go

Yeah, I'm letting it go. Avidor does the most frustrating stupid things tho. I just won't respond to him. Fresheneesz (talk) 01:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sig

I've copied and pasted and this is the result. There's an unnecessary extra 2 brackets. You see it works fine on your page- it's just Neil's page it has issues with.:( Sticky Parkin]] 21:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of whether it happens to others, it's incorrect nesting of the brackets. The fact that Neil's page happens to reveal the issue is irrelevant - it's your sig that is incorrect. I don't know why it won't work when you copy-paste, and I don't know how to examine it myself. But the problem is still your sig, and if it failed on Neil's it's a good bet it will fail on others as well. My talk page is very basic, so that's probably why it works here and at other plain talk pages. ATren (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I copied it:- look-as I already had above:) isn't everything inside a bracket? This is the code neil gave me- I copied it exactly- if you can see anything that's outside a bracket or something in my code then please tell. I've asked at a help desk thingy. Sticky Parkin 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I asked the hep desk boys and I think it's fixed now.:) Think something was wrong with my clipboard for copying, I turned off and on again.:) Sticky Parkin 22:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it was the turning off and on that helped. Now I won't tinker with it for ages lol, html, the horror!:) Sticky Parkin 22:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page of FAIR

Thanks for contributing to the discussion on the description of FAIR and similar organizations. I think that you added valuable perspective and insight. Trilemma (talk) 13:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I've tried to address these issues before, but I got slammed for being partisan and pushing my supposed POV, so it just wasn't worth pursuing for me. I am apolitical and generally hate ideological warfare, so this was certainly not something I wanted to be involved in. But I still had FAIR watched so I thought I'd chime in on your debate. I probably won't be involved much further. Perhaps you and Hal and Gamaliel can hammer something productive out of this. ATren (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)