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[edit] context
I think that I've manage to add context, but I still left the notice. Maybe someone else will be able to do better. I'm not sure this should be merged, with some work it might be able to stand alone. I've also done some copyediting. I think everything makes a bit more sense now. KorbenDirewolf 22:01, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
Why these pages need to merge -- Alfakim -- talk 14:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- Other articles follow the procedure of listing known members of a race on the race page. See Jaffa, Goa'uld, Tok'ra.
- That's where the information is relevant, in context, accessible, and useful.
- Having a seperate page for a list merely generates an out-of-place and uninformative load of text that no one's ever likely to read or find in context.
- These lists aren't big enough issues in Stargate to warrant seperate articles for themselves.
- In each case, e.g. the Athosians, the Athosians are inextricably linked to the Athos article. Athosians are from Athos, Athos is the home of Athosians. The connection is absolute and exclusive, they are bound.
- In talking about one, you're inevitably talking about another. Why split it?
- Merging these pages would cut down on the number of pages in general (making things generally easier and more informative), and would bring more useful information together, also giving some depth to articles like Athos. Too many seperate lists can be pointless.
[edit] Adding new content
I rewrote the section about the technology in the city and added a lot of informations tp it, including pictures and references. I also plan on adding informations about the interior and exterior of Atlantis. Since this article has a lot of potential I hope to turn it into such a good article like the DNA Resequencer (Stargate) or Stargate (device). However for this I need informations about the "real" Atlantis and background informations about the film-set of the city. I hope someone can add informations about these two topics. Diabound00 09:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Point of origin glyph
Do we know the glyph that is used for the point of origin with the Atlantis gate? - LA @ 00:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ZPM's
So what is the deal with the ZPM's? Are they supposed to be all the way in their sockets to be used or standing up out of them like shown in "Progeny"? I always thought that they had to be in all the way like Atlantis's ZPM is, because the shield in "The Seige, pt. 3" wouldn't activate until the ZPM was all the way down, why were Asuras's ZPM's up? Or can they still draw power when up but they need to be up to be reprogrammed or something like McKay did to overload them.
Faris b 20:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Who knows. Keep in mind that Asuras was a little different from Atlantis. In any case, we've also seen the ZPMs in 'Before I Sleep' removed from their sockets to show to Dr. Weir, all the while, the ocean didn't come crashing down on the city.MioTheGreat 13:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a red light on the top of a ZPM that seems to always light up when power is being drawn from it, so if the red light is lit up then the chances are that something is drawing power from the ZPM. --Heruur 21:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Might Atlantis contain a manufacturing facility?
Some of what the cre of atlantis will need have fairly limited supplies. Drones (although in Season Two they managed to obtain a very large number of them) , Puddle jumpers (Atlantis is slowly loosing these), and of course ZPMs. Clearly The Ancients had some form of manufacturing facility (probably multiple). It would certainly not suprise me if one or more manufacturing facilities were located on Atlantis.
On the other hand, it would be quite surprising if one existed but went unnoticed, because many parts of the city contain maps (like the transporters, and both control rooms), and a large manufacturing facility would most likely have been quickly noticed and investigated.
Thoughts? Tacvek 19:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe, but keep in mind, the technology of making ZPM's and drones is probably way over their heads, they didn't know how to use the stardrive til season 2 but they knew about it since season 1 so making a ZPM is probably one of the hardest things to do, that and making drones.
Regaring the jumpers, they managed to double their number of original ones from the sister city and don't forget the Asuran jumper they got last time.
Faris b 20:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- And they still can't even make Stargate's, even though Orlin was able to do it with household materials in a few days, or energy weapons, or O'Neills DIY wanna-be ZPM (despite, obviously, having the materials to do so), etc. TerraFrost 00:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Earth isn't incapable of making anything, remember. Area 51 is making PWARWs, and the've made the Prometheus, and they've made at least 4 Daedalus-class ships, so they're not doing too badly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alteran Ancient (talk • contribs) 20:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
That's a bit ambitious, don't you think? Making gates, gates are the equivalent of a Swiss watch pretty much, very intricate, they will probably never be able to make gates, although that would solve the intergalactic bridge problem... Orlin's gate, that was a makeshift one-time use gate so maybe Earth in general doesn't have the tools to make a normal gate.
That O'Neill thing was not a ZPM, a ZPM harnesses it's power from subspace whereas Jack's device was a power amplifier considering it used the liquid Naqahdah cell from Teal'c's staff weapon and did not extract any Zero Point energy at all.
Faris b 07:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's my point. If they can't make any of that stuff - which should be simpler than gate technology (lest the asgaard or tolan could have invented it, maybe) - how can they make the more complex stuff like ZPMs or drone weapons? TerraFrost 11:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Well many of these technologies are so complex that nobody besides the Ancients have ever been around long enough to learn how to construct them. However, a few cultures have succeded in nearly recreating a few parts of ancient technology.
The Asurans can create ZPMs, so it is possible. At least some of the technologies must have complicated theory but relatively simple manufacture. Access to an ancient lab along with the plans for the devices should allow construction of at least some ancient technology. Even if not full ZPMs, anything that could be created would be very useful. 71.2.98.181 19:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, another problem is that no one is clear on how you make a ZPM, is it a solid crystal with special properties? Is there some sort of mechanical device inside coated with the crystal as shielding or what exactly? I think the Asurans just made ZPM's out of those nanites, I mean, they have all the knowledge of the Ancients so they know how to configure the nanobots to do it I imagine but who knows? I doubt there is a ZPM lab, it's probably constructed when needed in a generic lab by an expert or two.
- Good point. Come to think of it, it seems possible that at some point in the future there is a truce or even allience between the Atlantis crew and the Asurans. If the Asurans are able to build Atlantis-class city-ships (as they claim to have done) they would certainly be capable of providing the Atlantis crew with nearly any ancient technology needed to keep the city working. Jumpers, drones, ZPMs, Consoles (fix the broken grounding station console), and perhaps even Stargates. (It is unclear if they built the gate found in their city, or used one already existing on the planet. One of the few ancient devices the Atlantis crew could get elsewhere are DHDs, as it appears the Wraith are able to construct those for use in the Darts.
- Now all of that and even more could be gotten from the source: The Ancients. However, it seems that few if any living Ancients are left. The Ascended Ones seem unlikely to help, as that would contradict their prime directive, and the Ori don't seem like the type to help out, not to mention the fact that they are likely not as familar with Lantean design. 71.2.98.181
Faris b 20:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Well we already know that the Asurans/Ancients fixed everything and de-flooded the city. I agree with the make ZPM when the need arises theory. But, I can't help but think that with the need thousands upon thousands of drones to arm all of the ships, and cities, that there has to be a manufacturing facility out there somewhere. I'm personally very curious as to the idea thrown out about a possible Atlantis-Asuran joint effort, because there is going to be yet another enemy introduced in season 4, bringing the total to 4 enemy races (Wraith, Asuran, Genii, and the new guys (most likely Micheal's creations). While an alliance between the two is unlikely, their joint effort would be greatly benificial to Atlantis and wouldn't neccesarliy ruin the story line by making every problem solvable. maybe that's a discussion for a new section.Atomicshift 02:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
well doesn't it stand to reason that just like on dakara they could just open the gate to 2 and send through a zpm,drone, or puddle jumper and at both destinations will be a zpm,drone or puddle jumper. Mastercp 19:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
No, that won't work because it's not a copier, the multi-gate dialing system, it just sends the same (albeit less to each planet than it would to 1) matter, it doesn't create anything new. You'd most likely end up with debris/energy if you tried it with anything else.Vala M 13:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Well that may be true, but even if it was it's too big of an advantage for Atlantis to have, they would never write that into the script. I was just watching the season 1 finaly and realized that atlantis was the only ancient controled planet at the end of the war, and the Lanteans were able to just keep on killing off the wraith. Now if they didn't have a manufacturing plant in Atlantis to create a new drones they would have run out a lot sooner. So there is reason to believe that a manufacturing plant exists somewhere in AtlantsAtomicsift 18:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Atlantis's size?
Does anyone have any idea on how big Atlantis is? I am guessing that it is about 2+ miles in width and about 1 mile high excluding the bottom spire which contains the outpost. Are there are official specs or anything? Unfortunately, they've never shown Atlantis with the Deadalus on it other than those scenes of it landing which are terrible for comparisons.
Faris b 09:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I've added this in another section, so I won't repeat my proof, but Atlantis is about 7 times the size of a hive ship. Otherwise there aren't any real measurements by which to go by. my own personal guess would be 3 miles long, and wide, plus maybe a mile high for the main spire, and if the lower spire is added maybe a mile deep. but that is just pure speculation on the measurements. Atomicshift 02:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Atlantis vs Ancient city ship
maybe some of the information regarding Atlantis' architecture and technological systems should be moved to Ancient city ship. After all, we have seen more ancient city ships (Atlantis, Asuras and the one on Eldred's planet) then Aurora-class battleships, so the city ship certainly requires a seperate page. just look at the star trek articles on wikipedia: both the USS Voyager (NCC-74656) and Intrepid class starship have a seperate page.
- You are right after all that information apply to all city ships. JDeus01 02:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Not neccesarily...The Asuran city ship, as seen in pictures is different than that of Atlantis...Atlantis has 3 stardrive engines, the Asuran city ship has 6. There is also no evidence supporting a City ship class, they could each of been constructed individually with both unique elements, and similar elements. Atomicshift 02:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Spoilers for end of season 3 follows!
Apparently, Atlantis also has 6 engines. When it launches from Lantea to flee the Asuran satellite weapon, it has 6. It may have been upgraded over the millenea by the Ancients themselves or by the Asurans after Dr. Beckett fired the drones at the stardrive in "The Return, pt. 2".
Vala M 03:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spoilers & Adding New Information from Episodes not yet Aired Across all Outlets
We need to discuss when information is going to be added from newly aired episodes. Currently, the broadcast schedules vary between the US, Canada, the UK and syndication. When is new information 'official'? When it first airs, regardless of the country, or when it has finally been aired via all outlets. I just deleted some information on the assumption that it was conjecture when in fact the information had been revealed via Canadian broadcasts. The source episodes have not yet aired on SciFi in the US and will not air in syndication for at least 18 months. At any rate, I believe that the Spoiler warning should be updated to state explicitly that some information may have originated from episodes not yet aired in the person's particular region. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.243.96.223 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Atlantis Hyperdrive.
What kind of hyperdriv does Atlantis have? Does it have a intergallatic hyperdrive like the daedalus or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.7.117 (talk) 18:35, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
Response
Actually, the hyperdrive technology is supposed to be more efficient than the Asgard Intergalactic Hyperdrives, so yes, it is intergalactic, and proably faster and more efficient.
Alteran Ancient 20:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Known Inhabitants
Do we really need a list of known inhabitants? Especially since we don't know everyone that there. Also this line from article: "Since re-establishing contact with Earth, this original population may have doubled or tripled, though the capacity for a city the size of Atlantis is unknown (though estimated in the thousands)." sounds a lot like OR and should be reworded/removed. Ank329 18:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Known Inhabitants, Possible Error
"Planetary Defense Commander: Colonel Dillon Everett (deceased)"
As far as I know, Colonel Everett never died. He was fed upon by a Wraith, but was saved in mid-consumption, therefore Colonel Everett is not deceased. He has "retired", due to rapid ageing.
Alteran Ancient 20:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Beckett has stated in Common Ground that the majority of those fed on the Wraith do not survive, even if the feeding is terminated prematurely. -- Ben
Hermiod has not been confirmed as dead yet.--Heruur 06:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Ancient Outpost
In the article it states that atlantis has an outpost on its bottom side as shown on monitors throughout the series. The outpost is never shown either on Lantea or in space for example when Carson fires a drone at the stardrive and when Atlantis is submerged in First Strikeno outpost is visible. Also wouldn't the chair room be in the Outpost.Hdrit 20:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that as well. Maybe the outpost stayed stuck in the ground at the bottom of the ocean the whole time but the systems display it "connected" for some reason. And no, the chair is in one of the towers, the outpost has it's own chair however.
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[edit] Merger of Lantea
I believe Lantea is a completely nonnotable planet if it weren't for Atlantis. I believe a merge with the history (or maybe just a redirect) is fully sufficient. – sgeureka t•c 23:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
- Agree. Take some bits of relavent information like the geography of the planet and the Athosian settlement and stick them in here. Million_Moments (talk) 19:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- Merged into Planets in Stargate. Atlantis (Stargate) already had the history covered quite well, so no merge necessary into this article. – sgeureka t•c 11:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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