Talk:Atlantis: The Lost Empire

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Contents 1 Plagiarism 2 Quotations (in Atlantean) 3 Steampunk 4 Lambda instead of A 5 Ages 6 Spoilers 7 Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Edgar Cayce 8 Language issues 9 Star Gate 10 Most of plot and setting stolen from Castle in the Sky? 11 Poseidon/Neptune

[edit] Plagiarism

The article needs a section for the controversy about the many similiarities to Gainax's Nadia http://www.thesecretofbluewater.com/atlantis-i.htm

http://www.thesecretofbluewater.com/atlantis-i.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.152.32.14 (talk) 09:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quotations (in Atlantean)

Is it me or is that part of the article a bit needless?

Nope, I agree with you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 123.100.91.99 (talk) 09:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Steampunk

Disney has not advertised nor was it ever stated that this film is steampunk. We should stop jumping on the bandwagon to categorise every work of fiction that has some semblance to the genre and instead list those which truly are affiliated or part of the Steampunk genre. As far as I know this movie bears more relation to fantasy with elements borrowed from science-fiction - however that does not qualify it as steampunk. 82.155.15.197 17:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Whether Disney labelled the film as Steampunk isn't relevant, as it contains contains significant Steampunk elements. Based on my multiple viewings of the film, aside from the Victorian setting (appropriate for Steampunk), there is an abundance of steam-powered and anachronistic vehicles and technology, including a gigantic, Jules Verne-esque submarine. There are fantasy elements ("magic crystal-powered" machines in Atlantis, for example), but that doesn't exclude this film from the catefory. There's too much Steampunk for the film to be considered otherwise. As such, I've re-added this page to the Steampunk category. Note that it was already listed in the text of the Steampunk page - any future discussions about the appropriateness of this film in the category should probably take place there. Fleecebeast 21:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lambda instead of A

It appears they used the Greek letter Λ (lambda) instead of A. This seems typical because they're trying to make it look prehistoric, and most countries with a Roman alphabet would be able to accept it as a substitute for A, though some people would actually notice that they actually used lambda.

I always noticed that too. Isn't that ridiculous? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Epigraphist (talk • contribs) 21:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Did you guys also notice that the letter "E" in the word "The" and "Empire" has a dot instead of a middle dash. I don't know whether this is lambda or not but um yeah. :)

59.100.148.230 08:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, its indeed a stylized lambda, which of course doesnt make any sense. Would this count as mock-greek? - Redmess (talk) 21:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ages

Is there any real reason for specifying the age of each character and Wikifying those ages to indicate the year they were born? It just seems silly. Where the heck do those ages come from, anyway? Are they stated in the movie? It's been a while since I've seen it, but I don't recall that. 24.62.27.66 16:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers

"Atlantis: The Lost Empire also shares a bit of plot with Stargate- A scholar with a theory nobody believes in but one person, who hires him to help seek out the mysteries of the theory. Both movies end almost the same, with the main lead staying behind with the exotic girl while the rest head back home."

Can this spoiler be moved or deleted entirely?

• I pulled them out because it wasn't relevant to the article at all. The section was discussing the Nadia controversy, not how many Atlantis films are similar to this one.

- Would it be possible to put a mention of the similarities to Stargate (the movie) back in, without spoilers? Coincidental or not, they are significant.

I also noticed the similarities with STARGATE when I first saw the movie, but I never searched for an article or web site that we could use as a valid source for that. Anyone got a source for that? Vicco Lizcano 18:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC) ^{(Hey! Listen!)}

[edit] Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Edgar Cayce

After watching the film, the movie I think borrows some of the prophetic visions of Edgar Cayce, especially in the fact that Cayce did prophesize that the Alantaens did have supernatural powers and could master the art of flying (according to a program of the History Channel "Decoding the Past" which told about Edgar Cayce's life). Should this be added as a possible influence in the movie's story?--DannyDaWriter 01:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

|I watched some of the documentary features on the DVD. The producers and writers talk about the literature sources they used to research the Atlantis mythology, and they showed a picture of Cayce during that segment. Cayce was also the one who described a mystical blue stone with the power to heal, which clearly had a strong impact on the writers. This blue crystal has been one of the main similarities mentioned by Nadia fans who claim that Atlantis stole from Nadia.67.183.31.9 18:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Language issues

I'm not sure where I read it, but I recall something about some theorists about language development believing there might be a common origin to various things, which might be connected to Atlantis, I suppose. Not sure I know enough about the subject to really say though. FrozenPurpleCube 04:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

If I understand it correctly, most European and west Asian languages are supposed to have developed from a much older Indo-European root language. I thought myself that Marc Okrand deliberately designed the Atlantean language to fit that idea. It would be his kind of humor. --Greg

[edit] Star Gate

Watch the movie more than one scene appears to be very simialer to this movie.

I seem to recall that there were serious based accusations of plagiarism with Stargate (The movie). I'm a little surprised that there's no mention of them at the article.--RR' 16:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Another similarity is that the main character in both (who are kinda alike, by the way) remains behind with the girl at the end. Coincidence? --81.233.196.49 (talk) 18:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Most of plot and setting stolen from Castle in the Sky?

It seems Atlantis has been accused of ripping off lots of things, when compared to Laputa: Castle in the Sky many parallels can be seen. This is suspicious since Disney was making the English dub for laputa around the time around when they released Atlantis.

In both movies the setting takes place in the turn of the century. There is a young man who believes in a lost city with advanced technology exists. They were told of the lost cities by their father who died. There is an expedition to find the lost cities(on airships in Laputa and a giant submarine in Atlantis). The ancient civilizations both use blue crystals to power their technology(though Atlantis's crystals can be attributed to the predictions of Edgar Casey). Laputa has flying robots that shoot lasers and Atlantis has several robot like devices and flying vehicles. The villain has a secret plan to use the cities power for personal gain(world domination/wealth). This ones not so good but the pirates in Laputa can somewhat be compared slightly to the rough gang of treasure hunters.

Atlantis overall does not fit in well with the normal Disney style. It contains violence and death and takes a somewhat steampunk sci-fi setting.

I think this info should be added to the article. Some of the more ambiguous parallels should probably be omitted but I think its a pretty good argument. Ill have to check the exact dates but I think Laputa was dubbed by Disney in 1998 or something. I think that was around the time that Atlantis came out. I have heard(from Disney DVDs not conspiracy websites) that the people at Disney like to watch Hayao Miyazaki movies(the writer/director of Laputa) for inspiration. Suspicious?--74.38.99.188 15:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I definitely agree. There is a confirmed link on the IMDb movie connections list - see here. Thanks for making note of all these similarities. If you can cite some sources then please add it to the article. (I'm not an admin, but I am a fan of Wiki, Atlantis and Studio Ghibli/Miyazaki's works :D)--rjcuk 23:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm a stranger on the Wiki, but even I know that this counts as original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.122.21.213 (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poseidon/Neptune

When you click the first word "Neptune", the link pipes to the Poseidon article. But Neptune (mythology) states he is "... analogous but not identical to the god Poseidon of Greek mythology. The Roman conception of Neptune owed a great deal to the Etruscan god Nethuns." So is it Poseidon or Neptune? I don't think it should be both. Art LaPella 01:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm guessing you meant Neptune (mythology) and couldn't find it due to the (). Changing to Neptune (mythology). Art LaPella 20:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)