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[edit] Daughter article

This page is a daughter article of the Atlanta, Georgia page WhisperToMe 08:27, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Where did county population numbers come from?

These numbers seem too high, where did they come from: 1,090,000 (Fulton), 781,000 (Cobb)...

This appears to be vandalism:

Revision as of 19:17, 27 August 2006 (edit) 24.98.187.0 (Talk)

68.219.137.236 07:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Counties: 20, 19 or 5?

The article starts off According to the 2000 census, the 20-county Atlanta, Georgia metropolitan area. However the list of counties, and the map, only show 19 counties. Looking at the US Census Bureau's list of metro areas [1], it seems the difference is Pickens County, which they include in the metro area but we don't.

To add further to the confusion, the article on MARTA effectively lists metro Atlanta's counties as being Fulton, DeKalb, Cobb, Gwinnett and Clayton and no others.

So which is correct. Or do we need to rewrite this article to say there are multiple conflicting definitions in play. -- Chris j wood 21:56, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No response to the above question in three weeks, so I've added {{contradict}} to the page in the hope somebody who can help resolve the current articles self-contradictory state will notice it. -- Chris j wood 21:31, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

When in doubt, go with the census definition. Kaldari 19:24, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • Actually, looks like it's 28 counties [2]. Kaldari 19:48, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • Ok. I've dropped the map link (Image:Map_of_Georgia_highlighting_ATLMetroArea.PNG) as it no longer corresponds to the definition in the text. Anybody know how to update it?. -- Chris j wood 00:51, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
      • This is getting silly. We have had 5-county, 19-county, 20-county and 28-county definitions. Now a couple of anonymous editors have added 11-county and 12-county 'core areas', in neither case citing any source in the article, or in this discussion. As they are anonymous, I cannot discuss their contributions with them, but I'm guessing from the lack of backup info that these are there own private views, so I'm going to revert the changes. If they are reading this, please feel to reinstate if you can cite a decent source. -- Chris j wood 23:19, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dropped map again

Anonymous contributor 164.111.195.234 has re-instated the map I dropped above. It is not clear if this was a statement that 164.111.195.234 believes the 28-county definition to be wrong, or whether they simply hadn't noticed that the map no longer corresponds to the definition of the Atlanta metropolitan area adopted above. Either way, either the text or the map must change to keep consistency, and as 164.111.195.234 is anonymous and made no attempt to explain the change, it is easiest to stick with the text and drop the map again. -- Chris j wood 12:04, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Atlantas'metro area is the size of Holland or Vancouver Island.That's a little extreme for a metro area don't you think.It must be the largest metro area in the WORLD and makes Atlanta seem more populus than it actually is.

Actually, Atlanta's metro is not the largest in the world. It's around 8500-10000 sq miles with much of it being rural. Also, if you read the Georgia article you would know that Georgia has the smallest average county size in the country. So people see 28 counties and automatically think metro Atlanta is gigantic (it is large) when it's actually smaller than Houston and a few others in the country.

[edit] I-75 is NOT the widest highway...

I find this one piece of info (under transportation) to be incorrect: "Currently, I-75 is 15 lanes wide at the Windy Hill Interchange (8 northbound, 7 southbound), and as such, is the widest freeway in the world."

If you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_in_Toronto you'll see that: "Bisecting the city from west to east across its inner suburbs, Highway 401 (or simply, "the 401") acts as a bypass of the downtown core, and is both the busiest and widest highway in the world" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.124.194.75 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 31 August 2006.

[edit] Edge cities

why is gwinnett under edge cities? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.33.142.156 (talk • contribs) 03:07, January 30, 2007 (UTC).

You're right - since Gwinnett is a county I have removed it. I also removed Cumberland, which is simply a business area that overlays parts of the cities of Smyrna and Marietta. -- Satori Son 03:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I also move Buckhead to the "Suburbs with 10,000 or more inhabitants" section, since it is simply a neighborhood entirely within the city limits of Atlanta. -- Satori Son 03:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
As Qqqqqq  (talk · contribs) correctly pointed out, I added the wrong Buckhead article. It should have been the Buckhead (Atlanta) article, and obviously not the article for the very small town of Buckhead, Georgia. Sorry about that; I have fixed. -- Satori Son 04:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Based on the article for Edge Cities there are five criteria. I don't think the ones listed in the article match those. For example, Gwinnett and Cumberland don't match "It must be perceived by the population as one place." The article says "the general tendency to identify oneself as being "from Gwinnett." Is that true? Most people I know say they are from Duluth or Norcross, etc. Akubhai 16:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree, and have removed Gwinnett County, Georgia yet once again. It clearly does not qualify.
And while I agree that Cumberland (Atlanta) probably does not qualify either (having also removed it once before), it's a closer call. The article for it does describe it as an edge city, so probably an issue that should be taken up at Talk:Cumberland (Atlanta). -- Satori Son 16:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Are Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, and Alpharetta "characterized by more jobs than bedrooms"? Akubhai 17:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I would think Sandy Springs and Dunwoody would easily meet that criteria, what with the high rises and major office complexes along Hammond and the Ga. 400 corridor, but I'll admit I haven't seen any statistics. No clue about Alpharetta. Maybe I'll dig into this when I get a chance (been working on the new WP:ATL templates and categories today...). -- Satori Son 18:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I must say that I think Gwinnett qualifies as an edge city, simply because most people do say they live in Gwinnett, as opposed to people in Cobb or North Fulton who more commonly name the city in which they live. Also, Gwinnett has its own niche identity, via the Arena and Gladiators, than do any of the other edge cities listed. auburnirishman 23:57
While I certainly agree that Gwinnett County has a distinct identity, I just don't think it meets the strict definition of an edge city (see Edge city#Definitions). Gwinnett County as a whole is more residential than commercial. In fact, many more people commute out of Gwinnett County than commute into it each day for work (I used to be one of them: Duluth to Buckhead every day - what a nightmare...). -- Satori Son 18:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I reverted anonymous removal of cities from the edge cities list, but is there any way of determining with certainty which suburbs meet the criteria for being an "edge city"? Qqqqqq 17:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changing the name

I propose changing the name of this page from 'Atlanta Metropolitan Area' to 'Metro Atlanta' for two reasons: 1) It more accurately reflects its name, and 2) Other metro areas, such as Chicago, are titled "Chicagoland", and renaming this page would move Atlanta into that category. auburnirishman 23:59 20 Jun 2007

Actually Atlanta metropolitan area is the more proper name. You'll find the corresponding article for Chicago is Chicago metropolitan area. Take a look at United States metropolitan area and you'll find among the Top 25 metropolitan areas, the xxxxx metropolitan area form is the majority, followed by Greater xxxxx and then a few singleton forms related to how a particular area (strongly) names itself (Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, Delaware Valley, Inland Empire (California) including one, Metro Detroit, matching your proposed form. While there certainly is common usage among residents for "Metro Atlanta", I don't think it justifies the rename. AUTiger » talk 17:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree with AUTiger. And Metro Atlanta already redirects to here, so anyone searching for that will still end up in the same place. -- Satori Son 17:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

I think that we should at least mention the differences in race distribution and wealth throughout the area. Since Metro Atlanta stands as the definitive example of the New South, it is only right that this article should talk about the differences seen when one compares income and educational qualities of areas such as the downtown district and Marietta. Sociology isn't my forte, but I would be willing to work with others to bring this about.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrathel (talk • contribs) 4 July 2007, 00:36 (UTC).

I'm not entirely sure what it is you wish to discuss or compare when you use an undefined term like "downtown district" - do you mean the City of Atlanta, the Downtown neighborhood (CBD) of the City of Atlanta, or specific zips/census tracts? In any case, it sounds suspiciously like (or perilously close to) original research. AUTiger » talk 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry if I failed to define my terms, or, even worse, implied that research needed to be done-- but what I was attempting to get at was that the article could benefit from a section that focuses on the racial, educational, and monetary distributions throughout the Metro Atlanta area. This of course could be done with a chart or a map; I don't really know to be honest...I just thought it would give the article a bit of depth.Mrathel 05:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)