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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Your edit to Talk:Apocalypto 3 Wikipedia:Photo Matching Service 4 Dolly (trailer) 4.1 Hello again, 4.2 Hello once again, 5 {{Auto-tech-stub}} 6 Kangaroo is new WP:ACOTF 7 Hello 8 Reply to spammer email 9 Truck project 10 Don't give up! 11 Sprag edits 12 Re Editing your talk page comments 13 Road transport in Australia is new WP:ACOTF 14 Revert of fuel efficiency 15 Singleton Station Photos 16 Global Warming Skeptic category up for deletion 17 Newcastle Wikipedia meetup? 18 Date for Meetup needed 19 Newc Meet One 20 Infobox Australian Place 21 Road 22 Come back soon! 23 About Tractor unit 24 Lazy axle 25 Your edit to Talk:Propane 26 Glendale 27 Newcastle 28 Blackalls Park 29 Crank (mechanism) 30 Clean Fuels Ohio 31 Proposed WikiProject Engineering 32 Another Kind of Engine 33 Semi-Trailer 34 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 35 Your reversion in Drawbar (haulage) 36 AfD nomination of List of Ford VIN codes 37 WikiProject Australia newsletter

Welcome

Your edit to Talk:Apocalypto

I noticed that you edited someone else's comment for clarity, spelling or grammar. As a rule, refrain from editing others' comments without their permission. Though it may appear helpful to correct typing errors, grammar, etc., please do not go out of your way to bring talk pages to publishing standards, since it is not terribly productive and will tend to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thanks, --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 05:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Photo Matching Service

Thought you might want to know about this, it has the same goals as Wikipedia:WikiProject Photography, but is better organized. If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. --Gphoto^talk 19:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Dolly (trailer)

Please explain to me why, oh why, you call the following two links "linkspam"?

1. I.T.E.C. C-Dolly
2. I.T.E.C. H-Dolly or tandem dolly

Both these are ligitimate information. Also, an H-Dolly does NOT necessarely have two parallel drawbars.

Peter Horn 23:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

According to I.T.E.C. Inc., an H-Dolly is a double axled version of the A-dolly and not of the C-Dolly. I.T.E.C. would do so according to North American usage and hence the customers or clients refer to it by the same term I.T.E.C. H-Dolly or tandem dolly and I.T.E.C. web site. We appear to to be at odds because you approach it from an Aussie point of view and I from a Canuck or Yankee point of view. There is "English" and there is "English". It's somewhat like the caboose and the brake fan on the rear end of the train. No hard feelings & I shall in due time look this up in a hard copy North American dictionary.

Peter Horn 02:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, I carefully looked again at I.T.E.C. H-Dolly or tandem dolly and I fail to see the two couplings in either one of the two dollies shown on that page. After two cataract operations (one in each eye) I have not needed any glasses, but maybe I should get some anyway. It appears as though I.T.E.C. Inc. happens to be the only N. American manufacturer of converter dollies, at least so far I failed to find any others. The only thing left is to sift thru the department of transportation web sites of all US states and all ministry of transportation web sites of all Canadian provinces an territories and see if any useful definition of an "H-Dolly" may be found in any one site. That's going to be a "monk's task" (un travail des moînes).

Peter Horn 01:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello again,

Other articles such as trucks and more do include links to manufacturers, so why not the Dolly (trailer) article? See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Trucks

Peter Horn 17:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello once again,

Add to that Fifth wheel coupling, Semi-trailer, Semi-trailer truck, Coupling (railway), Variable gauge axles, Automobile and many more which all have internal links to Wiki articles about manufacturers as well as links to manufacturers web sites. With these innumerable precedents, I don't see why Dolly (trailer) should be an exception. Peter Horn 01:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Copy and paste of message to I.E.T.C. Inc.

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:48:37 -0500 (EST)

From: "Peter Horn" <phorn12000@yahoo.ca>

Subject: H-Dolly

To: dennash@itec-inc.com

Dear Mr. Nash, Does your H-Dolly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_%28trailer%29) have one or two front end couplers? Yours truly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peter_Horn) and a fellow Wikipedian Athol Mullen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AtholM) have a difference of opinion about this. Yours,

"signed" Peter J. C. Horn

Peter Horn 01:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

{{Auto-tech-stub}}

Hi - a stub template that you created has been nominated for deletion at WP:SFD. The stub type was created without being proposed at WP:WSS/P (as is strongly suggested at WP:STUB) and while it may have some merit it needs a serious look at as far as its place in the stub hierarchy is concerned. Grutness...wha? 03:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Kangaroo is new WP:ACOTF

Merry Christmas. You voted for kangaroo as Australian collaboration. It has been selected, so please help to improve it towards featured article status. Thankyou. Scott Davis ^Talk 14:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello AtholM, I need your assistance on an article Ford BA Falcon please of you can could you complete one of the following points:

• Copy/edit
• Add information
• Review article
• Nominate article for Good Article status

If you have any questions just go to my talk page. Senators^{Talk | Contribs} 23:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply to spammer email

To my utter lack of suprise, the webmaster of these two sites is a certain "rayme" (see this and this). No prizes for guessing who the blocked account belongs to... Anyway, "sources"? An amateur site talking about his town with "please please please advertise here" banners and a car-review site with only one entry? No-one knows about these sites except this "rayme" guy. Don't worry about the whole "I'm a poor first time user that got bitten" spiel, these people do it all the time. Fuggehdaboutit. yandman 11:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Truck project

Hi! I see you're into something with knowledge of vehicles. I'll invite you to check the startup of a truck related project. User:Rotten Stone suggested a truck project to put those to a standard like automobiles etc. Please feel free to check User:Rotten Stone/WikiProject Trucks and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Trucks. So far we are only 3 europeans on the project, but to make a world wide project work, it would be nice to get world wide contributors :-) --G®iffen 13:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't give up!

Hi. I've again asked Peter why he wants that website linked so much - maybe there's some point we're missing (WP:AGF!). I'm also going to use his list of other bad articles to prune their external links - I trimmed out half a dozen from Truck last night, and had the blogspot one put back by an anon. I'm either making more enemies, or collecting some silent friends. --Scott Davis ^Talk 03:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

When you check back, could you please look at my edit to Semi-trailer truck and make sure I've accurately represented the situation in Australia? I'm sure what was there before was wrong and misleading. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Sprag edits

Just saw your last contribution to Sprag. Good to meet another Australian mechanical engineer that uses Slackware. We're an exclusive group. Bernard S. Jansen 01:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Editing your talk page comments

Er, no. Although it is standard practice to strike out comments before emending, as you say, there also times when this is unnecessary and few wikipedia editors observe this. You can confirm this by checking the "diffs" on talk page; you will actually find this practice quite common. As for the comment on Bull Bar, I deleted the text because I never intended to say it in the first place; my original comment didn't represent my thoughts.

I could say: "I am a murderer" "I am not a murderer", or I could forgo the unnecessary step and delete my mistake and state what I originally intended.

Please don't leave that kind of message on my talk page; at best, it is pedantic; at worst, annoying and rude.Rintrah 03:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Road transport in Australia is new WP:ACOTF

Hi Athol. Road transport in Australia is the new Australian collaboration of the fortnight. Your experience and knowledge could help to improve this article, so if you;re interested, please help to improve it. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Revert of fuel efficiency

Hello,

Just wondering why you reverted my work of last Saturday on fuel efficiency. The values in the table (as I wrote in a comment in the text) were inconsistent. That is, someone apparently converted from BTU/gal to MJ/L or vice versa using an inaccurate conversion factor. I do not have access to the book referenced, so I looked at the on-line Transportation Energy Data Book and carefully copied the appropriate numbers to the table, and converted them to MJ/L and BTU/imperial gallon. I also added several that were not there before.

It seems to me that some of the numbers that were there were not very accurate. I compared them to both the on-line source mentioned above and to a graph in the Chemical Engineers' Handbook (Perry's Handbook), and for instance the value for diesel fuel was too high, in BTU/gal. I think all the numbers were too low in terms of MJ/L because of the bad conversion factor that had been used.

If you have density data, you could fill in the column in my version for MJ/kg, which would be helpful. You can also put in numbers for the rows I left blank, if you can check with the original source to see which value was correct (either the BTU/gal or the MJ/L). But I don't think it's appropriate to simply revert what I did without even so much as a comment as to why.

EricK 15:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Singleton Station Photos

Great photos - thank you! JRG 13:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• I live in Cardiff. The photo of Cardiff station is mine too - I did it for the article about Cardiff. I also have some photos looking along the cycleway and overgrown Toronto line if they're of interest. Oh, yeah - also old remnant coal skip tracks on Great North Walk at Glenrock Lagoon. Oh, and I also got some photos of the railway bridge where the Ulan (Sandy Hollow) line crosses over the Bylong Valley Way yesterday. I might try to get a few more station photos to fill in the gaps around Morisset to Broadmeadow, and perhaps some along The Fernleigh Track, which is what the cycleway along the old Belmont line is now called. --Athol Mullen 15:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

They would all be great - especially the ones of stations. Thank you very much. Apologies about the talk page - I don't usually keep a watch on them. I will do so now. JRG 09:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

• No problem. My usual practice is to watch a talk page for at least a few days after leaving a message on it. I'll try to crop and upload a few of the photos that I already have, but I've got a bit of real world stuff to get done in the next few days... --Athol Mullen 09:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Great photos - thank you. JRG 10:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not done yet. :-) There's likely to be a week delay until the next ones. In the meantime, you might like to look here: http://www.artc.com.au/safety-management/System_maps_nsw.htm . www.artc.com.au has a lot of interesting reading. Oh, also, curve and gradient maps are here: http://www.railcorp.info/__data/assets/file/686/Curve__and__Gradient_Diagrams_V2-0_b.zip - including some closed lines such as Merriwa, Belmont and Toronto! --Athol Mullen 11:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Global Warming Skeptic category up for deletion

Category:Wikipedians who are skeptical of anthropogenic global warming is up for deletion. If you would like to comment on this, feel free to do so here. Oren0 20:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Newcastle Wikipedia meetup?

There's only four of us. Do we want to get together sometime? Please reply at my talk page ==One Salient Oversight 07:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Date for Meetup needed

Can you please go back to Wikipedia:Meetup/Newcastle and indicate in the relevant section a preferred date. If you haven't done so already, could you also suggest a meeting place like a restaurant or cafe?

--One Salient Oversight 23:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Newc Meet One

Hi Athol, can you just confirm here if you're coming? I'd love to chat with you about Global Warming. ;) --One Salient Oversight 00:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Reminder: It's on. --One Salient Oversight 11:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Australian Place

Hey, Sorry about making all those suburbs part of Sydney. I would just like to say also that logos to not belong on towns or suburbs (if it is the logo of the LGA that is). The LGA page is for that logo. (Also, fair use actually prevents us from using those logos on any page other than the article that the logo belongs to as such). Much better than a logo would be a photo of the town or something like that. Thanks, TheJosh 12:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Road

Thank you for your recent contribution to Road. Your edit is unreferenced and appears to be in conflict with the Official policy of Wikipedia:No original research. Per verifiability unreferenced material may be removed. Please add reference to your contribution. Jeepday (talk) 15:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Come back soon!

Hi Athol, I noticed your message about the wikibreak. If a user is harrassing you or being rude to you there are ways to address those concerns; but even if you don't want to address them now, it would be great to have you back soon - I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia and I look forward to more of them. (By the way, you got your wish on the railway line templates; there is now a collapsible version of the infobox (see Main North railway line, New South Wales for an example).) Thanks. JRG 23:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Good to see you back Athol. JRG 07:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm still not committed to staying. When I have to spend more time composing responses in talk pages to explain to technically illiterate people why their personally biased misinterpretations are invalid than actually improving articles, it gets old very quickly. --Athol Mullen 12:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

About Tractor unit

I fixed "two or three axles" to "two or more axles". I see you reverted my edit, but I don't really agree. I've seen several tractor units with more than three axles, so I'd say the article is wrong when it says "two or three". Especially you, who live in Australia, should have a fair chance of seing units with four axles. You can even find them in the ext. links from road train or at Commons.
I also disagree on the second revert about "most" 3-ax having drive on both rear axles. I assume it's correct in some parts of the world, especially for trucks driving constroction materials, timber, or just many bad roads. Nevertheless, I don't think many paved-road-trucks have this, like European export trucks, distribution vehicles etc. The company I work for had one 4x6 and four 2x6 with Robson Drive out of 9 tractor units. (I suppose Robson Drive is a brand - I don't know if you're familiar with it, so I linked to a manufacturer with a photo). G®iffen 10:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

What I put in the article is "usually with a large diesel engine and two or three axles." Note the word usually. Compare this diff of what I previously put in the article and what it was changed to by someone else.

"Most have 2 or more axles" is completely and utterly wrong. It's not possible for a truck to have only one axle. All trucks have 2 or more axles.

I've seen trucks with up to 5 axles. They do exist. They are rarely used as prime movers (tractor units) and are instead mostly used for heavy rigid trucks.

The vast majority of prime movers in Australia are 3-axle, even for road trains in excess of 100 tonnes. Allowing for the fact that some smaller prime movers here and in a lot of other countries are 2-axle, I believe that the statement as I put it is technically correct. Most have 2 or 3 axles. A very small number have more.

The question of bogie drive versus single drive and lazy axle is also fairly clear cut in Australia. A lot of rigid trucks run lazy axles but, having seen literally thousands of trucks over the years, I haven't seen one prime mover with a lazy axle since I started in this line of work in 1994. They may exist but they are extremely rare. It may be different elsewhere in the world, but the trucks that I've seen are from North America, Japan and Europe and are the same types as used in those markets. --Athol Mullen 11:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I see the point in "most" vs. a 1-axle truck, sorry. I just wanted to show that more than 3 axles was actually possible. My english is not perfect, so some bad spelling/phrasing might occur.

In real life, I've seen one 5-ax tractor, carrying a huge crane and pulling a 5-ax heavy load semi. On pics I've seen several 5-ax dump trucks. More common in Denmark are 4-ax tractors used in construction, carrying a high reaching crane and a semi with products to be hoisted to the top of that building. Those would mostly have 2 front and 2 rear axles, the extra front axle primarily to carry the crane due to weight restrictions.

I'll agree om the "usually two or three axles", but I'd like to change "Most three axle prime movers" to "Many three axle prime movers", if you don't mind. G®iffen 13:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that it really reflects reality in Australis but I'll compromise on that for the intro. May have to add an extra section for more detail on Australia. :-) --Athol Mullen 13:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Lazy axle

I assume that the "lazy axle" You refer to above is a third axle driven by a metal roll from the second axle? I've never heard what the english term is. G®iffen 13:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, in Australia at least, that metal roller would be illegal. A lazy axle is simply a non-driven axle, like a trailer axle. It's lazy because it's carrying weight but not driving. I guess that's what they're using the metal rollers to drive. Note that the English version of the website with the rollers doesn't have them at all, so they may not exist outside one or two countries. --Athol Mullen 13:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Glad I asked - some misunderstanding there.

The metal roller is only used when You're stuck or when You expect to get stuck. For daily driving it's lifted so that the wheels can't reach it, even when driving tough terrain, but when necessary, the driver lowers it to some near the axle height. It does eat off some rubber when used, but it would still be cheaper than a tandem drive truck for the average truck owner.

G®iffen 19:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Your edit to Talk:Propane

I noticed you removed several of my edits to the Talk page for this article. While I'm certain that some of this was in conformance with Wikipedia best practices, I am confused on several points. Most notably: if a section of a Talk page complains about an error in the main article which was resolved long ago (in this case, a mistaken "6.5 billion" instead of the long-corrected "6.5 million"), doesn't that section of the Talk page cease to be useful, and would best be removed? (Or at least notated with strikeout text?) The next individual hoping to improve the article will no doubt see the question (as I did), try to find the mistake it references, and be confused - or at least waste their time trying to find an error which no longer exists.

I know that I am new to Wikipedia editing and contribution, but this kind of nannyism puts somewhat of a damper on any desire I might have to contribute to or improve _any_ Wikipedia article in the future, lest some two-bit know-it-all (present company excluded, of course) undo all of my careful work on their whim of "the rules". As I see others below are concerned about the same issue regarding your reversions of their work, I ask you to consider: In what way does this contribute to the overall betterment of Wikipedia? I quote from the WP:UNDO article, which I very much suggest that you read:

"Do not revert good faith edits. In other words, try to consider the editor "on the other end." If what one is attempting is a positive contribution to Wikipedia, a revert of those contributions is inappropriate unless, and only unless, you as an editor possess firm, substantive, and objective proof to the contrary." Mere disagreement is not such proof. See also Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith."

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.173.32 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 31 July 2007

Responded at User talk:64.81.173.32 --Athol Mullen 16:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Glendale

Thanks for looking into that one ... The tone etc of some of the claims in the original rang untrue to me, but being from WA, I didn't even know where to start, so just fixed what I could and moved on. Orderinchaos 13:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• No probs. i live in Cardiff, literally the next suburb. The article still needs a lot of work but it's an improvement on what it was. --Athol Mullen 14:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Newcastle

Hey Athol, I see you are busily working on Newcastle pages, like OIC and myself. Thanks for removing the double word in the Broadmeadow page, I had intended to do it, but side tracked with OIC's infoboxes and ended up working on the Islington page.Macr237 05:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Blackalls Park

Hi Athol, just noticed your comment about Blackalls Park station. The station does exist, albeit slightly overgrown - there is a small park where the station platform used to be. Have a look at this site for some pictures of the area. All we need is just one photo that covers the platform area. Thanks for your help with the other photos though - great work. JRG 07:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Crank (mechanism)

Sorry about the accidental deletion.--Patrick 10:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Clean Fuels Ohio

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Proposed WikiProject Engineering

Hi. I have noticed that you are an active user who has expressed an interest for WikiProject Engineering to be created. The proposal doesn't seem to have gone far so I have created a temporary project page at User:Tbo 157/WikiProject Engineering to attract more users and also so that there is a page ready when the WikiProject is fully up and running. You are very welcome to add to the page. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 16:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Another Kind of Engine

Hi!

I'm contacting you because I saw you have extensive knowledge of engines. An engine you might want to cover: RKM engine, a pistonless rotary engine. See rkm.schapiro.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klpolon (talk • contribs) 06:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Semi-Trailer

Hey Athol, in the advantages / disadvantages you seem to be mixing up a full trailer and a straight truck (rigid vehicle) i.e. a full trailer can be coupled and uncoupled just as quickly as a semi trailer. Maybe a full trailer is your terminology for a rigid / straight truck? as terminology is different in every part of the world. Others areas the could do with adding, electric's 12 /24v, length & widths, wheelbases why different? and I think turnpike doubles should be pulled into this as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.177.104.153 (talk) 15:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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Your reversion in Drawbar (haulage)

You are perfectly correct. It is not a reference, which is why the heading for the section said 'Notes. It was a footnote, and used for something that was not appropriate for the main text the way that text is drafted currently.

I do not believe that this was a valid use of reversion, something we almost always reserve for vandalism. If the footnote did not meet with your editorial style it would have made much more sense to edit the text in order to include it, rather than a blanket reversion that removed it completely. Edits should be constructive.

On that basis, I am reinstating it. If this runs counter to you own style I suggest you edit it such that it will flow in the text rather than simply re-revert and remove the information again.

Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Ford VIN codes

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