User talk:Athaenara/Archives

[edit] Archive links

• Archive 00  Deletion discussions

• Archive 0   Topics: Wikipedia:Signatures, User:Athaenara/Gallery, {{Did you know}} project

• Archive 1   Topics: Miscellany

• Archive 2   Topics: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy

• Archive 3   Topics: Wikipedia:Third opinion project

• Archive 4   Topics: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline (November 2006 – April 2007)

• Archive 5   Topics: Wikipedia Conflict of interest guideline (April – December 2007)

• Archive 6   Topics: Wikipedia Conflict of interest guideline (2008)

[edit] Awards

 

Absolutely beautiful! 131.247.220.9 23:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

  [First barnstar — it was for User:Athaenara/Gallery, which was here at the time]

		The Original Barnstar
		For going out of the way to help in an edit conflict and trying to ensure fair treatment among the editors involved. Russeasby 00:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		A small token of appreciation for all the good work you do at 3O. Johnfos (talk) 22:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience and tact this week in at least one heated situation that I know of. (I am certain there may have been more.) Your cool served to demonstrate of the Wiki code of civility in excellent form ... I hope others will take pains to emulate it. Thank you! A little mollusk (talk) 16:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Aprils fools day was a blast. Loads of users lightened up to have good old fashioned fun. I want to thank you for taking part in editing this page in particular and even though I may not know you, embrace the same talk pages, or even edit with you in the near future, I'd like to award you this Barnstar for making Wikipedia a fun environment in which to contribute. Until next year. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 13:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

→ Pre-RFA and RFA discussions from April through November 2007.

[edit] Adminship?

I'll create the nom pending your acceptance. MER-C 10:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Give me at least 24 hours to think about it, OK? — Athaenara 10:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

MER-C, what are your reasons for considering this? — Athaenara 21:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Several reasons: we need more people able to swing the banhammer at the COI noticeboard, especially now that a proposal to permablock COI/VSCA only accounts* is going unopposed. And delete the rather large amount of prods the noticeboard produces. You seem to be the more ideal candidate (I'm way too deletionist). And you also seem to be the only one standing between us and huge backlogs at WP:BLPN.

I'll probably be burninating unsorted stubs and vandal patrolling for the rest of the day, but I'll keep an eye out. MER-C 06:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

That is a GREAT proposal *. I'll give the rest of this more thought. At the moment, catching up with the {{prod}} backlog is the only admin task I can imagine doing. — Athaenara 07:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Athaenara. I join MER-C in asking you to give this serious thought! You would add to the pool of administrators who are well-informed on COI and NPOV matters. If you haven't been reading RfAs lately, you might check out what's happening there, to get ideas for your application. EdJohnston 01:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I keep watching this space waiting to see you accept Athaenara. Remember adminship is no big deal, and the tools available to you will help you in the great efforts you put into wikipedia. You certainly have my support and encouragement should you accept. Russeasby 15:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind adminship if I could limit my activities to diminishing the {{prod}} backlog, but I suspect a nom based on that alone would not be taken seriously, especially considering how elaborate the process seems to have become.

Feel free to dispute this, anyone, it's just how it looks to me. — Athaenara 10:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I still think you would make a great admin, even if you were a SPA (single-purpose admin ;-) ). See here for a current RfA that is going well where the candidate is primarily interested in working with images and {{IFD}} (albeit with two other areas of interest expressed). I assume you could say honestly that while you initially would only work on prod backlogs, it is possible you would get involved in other areas later. I think if you could say this, it would be honest and also allow for further expansion, which might allay SPA concerns. I also see there is Wikipedia:Admin coaching, perhaps someone there could weigh in on this question if asked? Or perhaps ask an admin you've worked with? Ruhrfisch 13:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ruhrfisch, there is no rules on what an admin should be doing and how many things they should be involved in. The prod backlog is something sorely in need of more help and I am sure it would be viewed very favorably that you wish to focus on that. Plus your very active on both the COI and BLP noticeboard, where admin tools may come in handy as well. Russeasby 13:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that work on {{prod}} would be eminently suitable. However, to ensure your qualifications, the skeptics at RfA will likely want to scrutinize your contributions to be sure you have a lot of experience applying {{prod}} in the past, will expect you to have joined many AfD and DRV discussions, and maybe even policy discussions on deletion-related Talk pages. Not a big challenge for you if you choose to go that route! EdJohnston 13:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I was willing to consider it from the "we need more people" perspective, but as should be obvious by now I have no ambitions for adminship and won't tailor my participation in Wikipedia to pursue it. Thank you anyway, MER-C, Russ, Rührfisch, Ed. — Athaenara 22:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Postscript: I've been an IRC channel operator on EFnet, so I know what it's like to be a cross between a janitor and a cop. Taking on those roles on Wikipedia (or anywhere, really) just doesn't appeal to me. — Athaenara 04:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:COIN needs more administrators

If I nominate you, will you accept? Jehochman ^Talk 22:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

MER-C suggested this in April… I don't mind a bit when administrators find me reliable and respect what I say, but I'm not at all sure I want to be one myself. — Athaenara 22:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, but you could always accept the nomination and just speak your heart.* There's no need to change your agenda just to please some narrow minded people. I completely understand your position if you don't want to do this. We do need more admins on COIN, and you are certainly trusted well enough to have access to the tools for use when needed. Jehochman ^Talk 23:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I repeatedly misread that as "just break your heart."* — Athaenara ✉ 02:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Again?

→ Content fork: See User talk:Athaenara/Archive 1#Disruptive editing noticeboard.

I think you can keep doing the same things, but if you spot somebody who needs to be blocked, or an article that can be speedily deleted, you can take care of it yourself instead of asking somebody else. It would be more efficient and be better for the project. You are so well trusted that it's just silly for you not to have a few extra buttons on your console in case you want to use them. - Jehochman ^Talk 02:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

OK. I did some homework on it. Comments? — Athaenara ✉ 02:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to line up a nomination for you. I'm too new. I'd like to see you pass 200-0, or better. - Jehochman ^Talk 02:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Could you enable your email? I've found somebody who'd like to help you. - Jehochman ^Talk 02:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather keep all wikicommunications on site. Is that a problem? — Athaenara ✉ 02:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, admins are expected to have email enabled. I recommend you set up a dedicated Gmail account for wiki correspondence. It only takes a moment. Your sponsor should discuss the nomination privately with you. - Jehochman ^Talk 03:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

After checking Help:Email confirmation, I'm not sure how to keep my main email enabled for meta-purposes while also enabling a second account (acquired) for administrative purposes. — Athaenara ✉ 04:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that. If you create a Gmail address, you can enable email, and specify that address for all Wikipedia email. From Gmail you can forward inbound mail to any account you like, so you are promptly notified. To reply, you would login to Gmail and respond from there. Gmail doesn't tell the world anything about your identity. - Jehochman ^Talk 04:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Instead, if you prefer, you can email me and I will put you in touch with a potential sponsor. - Jehochman ^Talk 04:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Unreadable in bsd shell—send to gmail address? — Athaenara ✉ 05:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Preference change wasn't accepted a few hours ago (what was confirmed last year was automatically restored), perhaps because enabling wasn't switched on in the same change. At any rate, that's done now, on what I consider an experimental basis. — Athaenara ✉ 06:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Adminship?

Well, here's the place to talk about your potential candidacy. You've got plenty of mainspace experience, moplike work (especially in areas I like to see), and to the best of my knowledge no significant conflicts. Is there something you want to know or ask me? I like to nominate COIN volunteers. We need more of them. Durova^Charge! 08:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I found Jehochman's "good for the project" line of reasoning persuasive, so I followed up on some of his suggestions. I'm not sure what he meant by "sponsor" though. I am willing to consider adminship, and if nominated I'll probably have the grace to accept, but truly I do not hope to spend a lot of time on email, online chat, admin ingroup subculture, etc. — Athaenara ✉ 07:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

There's always /dev/null, especially if you have an email program that deletes certain messages that match certain criteria before you even notice they're there. MER-C 10:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd probably still co-nom you, if I can say anything original. MER-C 10:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll remove ‘as if!’ from my Rfa homework and accept. — Athaenara ✉ 02:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Please go ahead! Only one comment: the RfA reviewers do like to see one or two examples of conflicts listed, even if you only speak vaguely, so they know you won't melt down in a crisis. Having fought the good fight at COIN should give you lots of examples to pick from. EdJohnston 03:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Some examples of conflict/stress/deal? — Athaenara ✉ 07:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Quite appropriate! Mention of WP:DE/N would heat up the discussion, though, since there are many senior editors who believe it is a form of 'votes for banning.' With enough discussion this may get clarified, but it's not ideal for your RfA to become a forum on it. EdJohnston 13:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree—it's just homework ;-)   Should the (now 6) examples be pruned further, do you think? — Athaenara ✉ 19:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks good now! EdJohnston 20:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Athaenara. I won't bother with the template thingy. MER-C 09:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Accepted. — Athaenara ✉ 10:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Cited your RfA

I cited your Request for adminship page, at the current ongoing AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noah Lottick, as directly relevant to statements being made about/by a certain user in both locations. I wanted you to know. This is not a solicitation for comment about the ongoing AfD itself, though you are of course free to do as you wish. Good luck in the rest of the RfA, by the way. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 10:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC).

Thank you for telling me, and for your encouragement. — Athaenara ✉ 11:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Any time. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 11:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC).

Your RFA

It appears that your RFA will be successful, with a couple of hours left. Then again, the community trusts me to make featured pictures, not admins. Congratulations!

Now go forth and nuke those vanity/spam/attack/nonsense pages (within reason and policy, of course). MER-C 07:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, MER-C, you're a good troop. — Athaenara ✉ 20:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your RFA was successful

Yipee! Addhoc 11:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, I have closed your RfA as successful and you are now a sysop! If you have any questions about adminship, feel free to ask me. Please consider messaging me on IRC for access to the #wikipedia-en-admins channel. Good luck! --Deskana (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

• Congratulations! Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 10:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC).
• Congratulations too! Well deserved, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
• You Have New Messages: Congratulations! - Jehochman ^Talk 12:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
• Good luck in your new role! EdJohnston 12:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
• Congrats. One of the purposes of RfA is to see how well you can tap dance on a bed of red hot coals. You survived with only slightly singed shoes. Try to draw what you can from the criticism you received. - Crockspot 14:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
• Congratulations and best wishes on this new phase of your Wiki-journey! --Parsifal _Hello 17:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
• 'Grats! Wished I'd had more chance to coach, but really you didn't need it. Feel free to look me up if you have questions while you get the hang of this. It's a pleasure to have you with the mop brigade. Durova^Charge! 17:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
• Congratulations and well-deserved. None of us are perfect, and I have no doubt you'll learn well from the criticism offered and make an excellent admin. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Congrats on the successful RFA! I was actually shocked there any oppose at all, but I guess there is always someone unhappy about something. Anyways, well deserved adminship. Russeasby 16:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

  To all who participated, many thanks for your encouragement! I will not take up the tools immediately but will be studying in the new admin school soon. — Athaenara ♨ 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)