User talk:Athaenara/Archive 1

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This is an archive of discussions from October 2006 through May 2008.
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1 Miscellany 2006
2 Miscellany 2007
3 Miscellany 2008

[edit] Miscellany 2006

[edit] 1960s single stub

Haha! I hadn't noticed that the message was messed up before. Good eye. Just a tip that, in the future, when you see something in brackets like that, it's a template. To edit it, type "template:templatename" in the search box, then hit "Go" and you'll be brought to an editable page for the template. I went ahead and fixed the one you pointed out. GassyGuy (contribs) 07:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note about fixing templates, GassyGuy. I knew it was a template, of course, but I had no idea how easy it was to get inside one. Athaenara 08:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Insight

Hope this is what you wanted. If you need to tweak this some more, or if you want to upload other pictures, I'll be glad to help. Thanks for just now! --Rifleman 82 21:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It's terrific, Rifleman, thank you! Athaenara 21:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You're a genius?

→ (... a reminder that I don't seem like a genius. —A.)

I hope this doesn't offend you, but you didn't seem like a genius. And you don't edit anything particularly brilliant, but rather, your edits seem to be just simple fixes here and there. How about completing the table of logic symbols? That's something I actually wrote on the article's talk page that I was going to do, but never did. Or how about "dumbing down," the articles on advanced mathematics and physics, so that, for example, the average reader can understand what the hell this means? At least maybe you can help me correct the article on Classical Liberalism. Robocracy 07:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC) aka HP_Owner in the IRC

No, I really cannot imagine why Mensa let me in. Given your low estimation of my intelligence, you won't be disappointed that I decline your offer of an assortment of ambitions in which you've lost interest. — Athaenara 14:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On Aggression

I think you made the article On Aggression more encyclopedic, but I don't agree that my reference didn't support the claim (regardless of how encyclopedic the article was on the whole with it). Alas, my reference to page 94 fell out when I made the reference work, so perhaps you thought I meant the whole book. I'd be glad to hear your opinion on that. (–Uncas)

Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words#Examples is excellent reading.

Specifically in regard to: "Many ideas are now believed to be false, such as [this] and [that] ... ".

The reference's link trail does not lead to verification of the claim.

To check this most easily: go into the article's history, find an earlier version which still includes the reference (this one, for example), and follow the succession of links as if you had not written it yourself but were another reader, seeing it for the first time, seeking the support implied by the ref tag.
The De Waal article does not mention Lorenz. The article about his book is a one-line stub.

In any event, what was said on "page 94"? And, whatever it was, does it not more properly belong in the De Waal article? Lorenz was not a primatologist. Most of his studies in ethology were of birds, which are also social animals with complex social behaviors.

By the way, how come you "cultivate a high tolerance for ambiguity" in an encyclopedia? Or is it in some other context? --Uncas 01:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I find life to be full of meaningful ambiguities. I haven't time just now for a more substantive reply to the question, but I thank you for asking. Athaenara 02:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

→ (Afterthought, months later: I love both Desiderata, which is comforting, and Deteriorata, which is hilarious.)

[edit] Special Thanx

Dudette! Thanx again for all the great help you've been and for the long chat. You've help me a great deal :) I hope I can call upon you in the future for your input. Next time I'l share my Belgian truffles with you. Mystar 04:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome, Mystar. Athaenara 04:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WTF

Huh? Not that it isn't funny, but I'm not quite sure what you meant...Cheers, Moreschi 21:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I had been wandering through a thicket of posts, on and off admin pages, after Cool Cat tried to get my support on IRC for some recent WP:POINT absurdities and stunts. I told him he and Bastique owe apologies to Moby Dick (and to a lot of other people, as I now understand it); he stalked off, after a few parting shots, in high dudgeon and/or low umbrage.

When in the midst of these wanderings I stumbled over that strange (and unrelated) unsigned post in the undergrowth I couldn't resist the urge to use the {{unsigned}} template, even though it was just an old post on a user talk page, and I felt awkward about it. Sorry I upset you! Athaenara 22:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Upset me? No, not in the slightest! Cheers, Moreschi 20:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

→ Huh is right. I took a second look and corrected it 23:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Miscellany 2007

[edit] 50 States flag PNG

Sorry about the delay. Must have missed your message. It should be possible to do a white ~~border~~ background for 50 States flag.PNG. I'll go through my files at home to see what state it currently is in. One challenge is that, because of the white from the flag, it wouldn't have a significant contrast with the exterior, and I'm not sure if I've still retained the original US outline in the file or not. I'll get back to you.--DaveOinSF 19:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, yes. Though it's great to have a USA map which doesn't omit Alaska and Hawaii, I see the difficulty as you describe it. I should have thought it through. Thanks for getting back to me—the delay was not a problem. Athaenara 23:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

(Afterthought: if Alaska and Hawaii could be coloured using red and blue only, they wouldn't disappear into a white background.) Athaenara 19:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inexplicably delinked

[In re "the wrong Bobby Bird."] I originally made the link, but de-linked it after noticing that it was wrong. I'm changing it back to be unlinked. Thanks. Is that explicable enough? :-) -anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.32.226 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Use edit summaries more often, they help keep things explicable ;-) Athaenara 15:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Youth sign language pics

See Talk:Youth Leadership Camp#Requested Pictures.

[edit] Nonspecific comment intended to be hard to classify within your system

Not sure any more that a normal person can add anything to your Talk page, without first spending a week to study your archiving system :-) Anyway, I'm giving it a try. Your change here does show a fantastic attention to detail. I'd just like to throw in my two cents that it may not matter so much if archive pages get large (over 81kb), because I think no one ever goes there (I mean normal people, not like us). If you truly can't classify this comment, it's fine to delete it! EdJohnston 20:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. By the way, I studied the "puzzling change" you reverted. The guy found a previous version of the page in its history, added a comment, hit save -hey presto- all current discussions disappeared while previously concluded discussions returned in their earlier incarnations.

		Barnstar of Exemplary Reversion
		Awarded to EdJohnston for saving a Wikipedia Project Page from destruction. — Athænara ✉ 03:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

For your act of vigilance, I award this very fine Barnstar. — Æ. ✉ 03:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Very nice star, I'm honored! Now I'll have to go resolve a conflict somewhere. EdJohnston 05:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

(In re BLP/N report and related Request for arbitration.)

I'll try to not be so lazy next time and track down the links myself :) You're obviously busy enough on the BLP board as it is - Duly noted and appreciated. CovenantD 12:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks :-) Athaenara 00:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Massive edits

Yes, that is how they were before, but they looked odd, and this box idea was originally in the area of Sen. Patrick Leahy. Therefore, I modeled it after that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UnitedStatesIndia (talk • contribs) 21:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Please reply on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization#Over 100 edits to succession boxes.* Thanks. Athaenara 21:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC) *[now archived]

[edit] Wow

I don't think I've come across anyone on wiki that works as hard as you. You rock. Keep up the good work! I wish I could work the way you do, I'm serious. I've had a bad two days, suffered some personal attacks and stuff, and I've been thinking about quitting Wiki. I'm not going to do it. Looking at your edits was pretty inspiring. I've resolved not to let certain people get me down, and get back to fighting vandalism, something I'm pretty good at. Thanx for renewing my inspiration in Wiki. Sue Rangell^{[citation needed]} 21:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, thank you, it is very kind of you to say so, and I'm glad you're back on the job. — Athaenara 09:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hello… you may or may not remember me from one of the issues brought up on various noticeboards. You pointed out how certain editors were taking up a lot of unnecessary time and effort with the constant notices… Does Justanother appear to be engaging in similar behavior… ? Anynobody 09:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

That single purpose account specialises in disrupting Wikipedia with misuse of process. You are one of those who have rewarded it by rising to nearly every gibe the user tossed in your direction. Can you stop? — Athaenara ✉ 12:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, I'd be happy to but I've actually been trying to get him into a RfC or have some other community feedback situation. I really don't mind his attempts at me but it looks like he is really bothering other editors and ignoring many Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Please don't take this as a an angry question, but what should I do if not try to get community action? Thanks, Anynobody 22:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you took my last question as glib, it wasn't meant to be. I really would like your advice. You asked me to stop dealing with Justanother, and I'd be happy to do that but it doesn't address the problem of what you called his WP:SPA nature. If you have no advice, that's ok too. Anynobody 05:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

An apology

→ In re: "An apology" (02:05, 30 March 2007 UTC). Compare: "shooting fish in barrels" (15:48, 13 March 2007 UTC).

Please see the apology on my user page. It is directed at editors like you. Even editors like you that may have responded in an uncharacteristic manner and found themselves more than bystanders to the fracas. (AGF is more than a motto to me, it is a way of life. But there is an end to AGF, too. Not you, but others here.) You know, Athaenara, you are wrong about me. Best regards --Justanother 00:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism reporting

Just to clarify: my message wasn't directed at you; there was some kind of edit conflict. I've briefly blocked the IP. Jkelly 21:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know so quickly what happened to my AIV report. I was writing a post to you with all the diffs when your post arrived here. Athaenara 21:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HagermanBot

You too are being zinged by the HagermanBot when you try to maintain the COI/N page. I just visited User:HagermanBot/OptOut for the second time and got my name on the opt out list. Will see if that helps. (There is a way to turn it off for the whole COI/N page, but I think we have visitors who need the auto-signature). EdJohnston 15:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I've now done likewise. Athaenara 19:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

→ April-November 2007 pre-RFA and RFA discussions moved to User talk:Athaenara/Archives#Adminship.

[edit] Ötzi the Iceman

Hi, I noticed that you moved the image of Ötzi the Iceman lower down in the article. Don't you think that it would be better if we had a picture at the top right hand corner of the article? Cheers, Jacklee 23:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It was at the top of the article before. I think it's more effective placed at the top of "The body" section where it provides a direct visual reference to the detailed discussion of its condition as originally found and the subsequent research results. — Athaenara 00:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I see your point. Would be nice if we had an illustration for the top of the article too, though. Cheers, Jacklee 01:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of advertising slogans

Hi Athaenara, I hereby humbly request your opinion and suggestion at Talk:List of advertising slogans#Formatting entries and additions to the list. If you have a moment. Many thanks. dr.ef.tymac 18:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that such lists need reasonably uniform formatting. I'll look more closely when I have time, after my computer issues have been sorted out. — Athaenara 22:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Lyell litho

→ (In re: Charles Lyell article and Talk:Charles Lyell#Image source)

Hi, sorry to be so slow replying, only just noticed your post re the tag about the Ipswich Museum origins of the lithography. I have replied in the discussion there where you posted. Hope that's fine, post me at my userpage if not! Best wishes. Dr Steven Plunkett 02:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Un-Anonymizing and Spell-Correcting Faerie

Thank you very much, you GoodWikiFairy you, for fixing the signature and spelling of my post on Talk:Scottish Enlightenment#Consequentialist inconsistency. Bob Stein - VisiBone 15:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) — Athaenara ✉ 02:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Common Cause

→ (In re: my question on User talk:Jonathan David Makepeace)

"In a Common Cause edit summary, you mentioned "another group of comparable prominence." What group is that? Is there a Wikipedia article about it? — Athaenara ✉ 21:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)"

Hello, having no idea how powerful that group in the U.S. is, I was mistaken about the group being of equal prominence, but there is an alliance of republican (anti-monarchy) groups in Australia, Britain, Canada and New Zealand called Common Cause. You'll find their pages listed here. Cheers! Jonathan David Makepeace 22:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

A brief search found an Anglican Common Cause as well. — Athaenara ✉ 22:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Others found; see Common Cause (disambiguation). — Athaenara ✉ 06:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WVMR

→ (In re: category and stub type for WVMR)

Thanks for that correction, I figured I would have messed up on one of them. It was almost 10am and I hadn't gone to sleep yet (damned insomnia). I will go through and recheck my last contribs to make sure I didn't goof up anything else. Again, many thanks for the correction :) Take Care....NeutralHomer ^T:C 23:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! — Athaenara ✉ 00:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Template:Unbalanced

→ (In re: edit and fix on {{Unbalanced}} template. —A.)

When you edited Template:Unbalanced, you didn't wrap your tag with <noinclude></noinclude>, which caused it to be displayed on every page that the template was transcluded onto. Please be more careful in the future when editing templates. Andrew Hampe ^Talk 01:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. — Athaenara ✉ 01:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List

→ (After the message below was posted on my user page, I moved it here. See also: the list's AFD. —A.)

[[List of U.S. communities with caucasian majority populations]] There ya go, please help expand it and help fight against its deletion. Cato1986 06:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brag a little

Some markup I devised one day is getting some play over on Seth Swirsky and THE RED BUTTON ;-)
— Athaenara ✉ 22:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Opt out without category

→ (In re: a question I asked on User talk:SineBot. —A.)

Opt out without category

I followed the instructions on {{Bots}} to protect my own pages, but the bot will still sign updates to pointers, {{userlinks}}, etc. on other pages if the category is not added to them. Why not a HagermanBot/OptOut-like page instead of an only partially usable category? — Athaenara ✉ 00:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The category is only to opt out a user, and is only placed on your User: page to make the bot ignore all of your contributions. {{bots}}, however, affects everyone on that page, and it is only to be added to single talk pages as needed. If you have any other questions, please use my talk page, as the bot's is infrequently checked. --slakr ^(talk) 11:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP meetup

	In the area? You're invited to
	San Francisco Meetup 3
	Date: September 16th, 2007
	Place: Yerba Buena Gardens, 3pm
	San Francisco Meetup 2

-- phoebe/(talk) 05:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

→ In re: Template talk:RFCpol list#RFC not added to list.

I share your issue with RfCs appearing. My guess is that it takes a while for the bot to pick up the request and include it. The pages currently listed took around a day to make the list. I'll let you know if that is the case by tommorrow (I made an RfC for Talk: Foundation for Defense of Democracies.) Ngchen 01:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I think the thing might be broken. Old issues languish and timestamps, which would help with that, aren't displayed. — Athaenara ✉ 02:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civilization is high maintenance

I love your user page. —Viriditas | Talk 11:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! — Athaenara ✉ 11:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mechanisms and processes of evolution

→ In re: my post about Mechanisms and processes of evolution. See also: WikiProject Evolutionary biology.

Truly speaking its a multiple effort of many wikipedians working under wikiProject evolutionary biology. thanks, Sushant gupta 12:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disruptive editing noticeboard

→ See also: Category:Wikipedia noticeboards.

The Disruptive editing noticeboard (WP:DE/N), which is was structured on the model of BLP/N and COI/N (not on the model of WP:CSN or WP:PAIN), ~~has~~ had the potential to become a very useful forum for reporting and addressing violations of the disruptive editing guideline.

There is was a ~~current~~ discussion on Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Disruptive editing/Noticeboard regarding its possible deletion. — Athaenara ✉ 06:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Postscript: User El C (talk · contribs) deleted it although there were still active discussions on it. — Athaenara ✉ 07:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

(Wikipedia talk:Disruptive editing/Noticeboard was not deleted.) — Athaenara ✉ 13:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

We can still push for it's recreation or something with a similar function. I regret not having understood the opposition this would face, or else I'd have waited much longer to build up support before beginning. (Are you still sure you don't want to be an admin? If you agree, I will stop using {{resolved}} forever.) - Jehochman ^Talk 19:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I really do think it could be extremely useful, and I'd like to participate in efforts to establish it.

About adminship… you know, I kept misreading ‘just speak your heart’ (in one of your posts here) as ‘just break your heart,’ but as this is the third or fourth time this has come up, can you tell me what exactly you'd envision me actually doing if I were an admin?

By the way, look what I found!

Unresolved — Athaenara ✉ 02:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

→ Content forked: see User talk:Athaenara/Archives#Again?

[edit] {{resolved}}

→ In re: My post & edit summary on COI/N. Context: previous discussion above and earlier posts archived here. – A.

The Apocalypse. (swoons) - Jehochman ^Talk 22:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Straight line

→ (The post below refers to one of four self-quotes on my user page. A.)

Well i read the defination of a straight line which is most probably a part of your own orignal research. ummhhh... so you mean to say that the adjacent points lieing on the circle with infinite radius are linear. see, if you can visualise the straight line it can never ever form a circle. the angle formed between the two adjacent point would tend to be 180 degrees but would never be equal to 180 degrees. hence the defination you gave is a bit vague. thanks, (I also used to think the same what you thought of.) Sushant gupta 15:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retiro

Thank you, Athaenara, for inserting the Retiro link - and for your kind advice, too. Scribbleman 08:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome! — Athaenara ✉ 09:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rational mysticism

→ Moved to User talk:Athaenara/Archive 00#Rational mysticism

[edit] Latin disciplina

Hi, just in case my browser is busted or something,... I can't tell the difference between the disciplina in these two. Was there really a ç-like character after the 'l'? I'm the one who originally wrote that sentence, so now I'm afraid that I'm inserting rot. -- Fullstop (talk) 03:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It is a strange one, alright, absolutely invisible in the edit box—disciplina (cut&paste from the diff) is how it displayed—and I've never seen it before. — Athaenara ✉ 03:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

In case your browser can't see it here, either: it's somehow attached to the i (i) in a thin squarish font like those in early daisy wheel printers. — Athaenara ✉ 03:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

To me that looks like a normal disciplina. But as it turns out, its an html entity () that on my machine looks like [ì] (zoomed: ì). Because the word is in italics, the grave accent blends with the [l] and makes it virtually indistinguishable from a regular [i]. In UTF-8/unicode however, symbol #141 is a special control character with no specific displayable value, thus the strange symbol you see (but for some reason I don't).

My bad. Ah well. 'Learn something new on the 'pedia every day. :) -- Fullstop (talk) 04:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Great detective work! — Athaenara ✉ 04:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edward Jenner

Somebody (yet again) vandelized scientist Edward Jenner's page. It's not 65.96.109.117 again. If you wouldn't mind, could you track down who keeps doing this, or at least tell me how I can.edited by Thomas Arnold 18:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I {{pp-semi-protected}} the page. — Athaenara ✉ 19:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VIN codes

→ Moved to User talk:Athaenara/Archive 00#VIN codes

[edit] Miscellany 2008

[edit] Thanks for beauty and CIA

First, may I say that this is the most esthetically pleasing userpage I've seen on Wikipedia?

Second, It's becoming almost impossible to track what is happening in the edit wars over the CIA articles, but it appears you were putting in some stability. For that, I thank you.

It seemed wise and civil for me to touch base with everyone involved in this situation, hoping that some personal contact may calm the storming seas. I can only say that my intention, in working with original CIA articles and those that I spun off when it became impossibly large, is to improve NPOV and reliable sourcing. If I have an agenda, it is to introduce, into discussion of "CIA", that it does not always act unilaterally, but is following directions from the White House, and that it does things, such as !surprise! intelligence analysis. That agenda, unfortunately, appears to conflict with some that have a POV that the CIA is the incarnation of evil, any allegation of impropriety must be true, and to question this is "whitewashing".

Again, thanks for being bold enough to be involved in this mess. I hope we can get it back to some level of civility and valued content, perhaps with some way to link to the questionable allegations that some people want present, with perhaps less reliable sourcing. You may have noticed that the Military History project has started an Intelligence Task Force, and we are trying to improve the content of quite a few articles, not CIA alone. Unfortunately, some Wikipedia content in this area is more based on Hollywood than reality.

And yes...sometimes I believe reality is a crutch for those who cannot handle science fiction. :-)

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message and your appreciation. I was hesitant to archive anything past the end of October 2007 myself, because I am not involved in the controversies and don't know which ones are still pertinent and likely to flare up again. — Athaenara ✉ 23:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank for archiving at Insight Magazine

I'd been hoping someone would pick that up...I wouldn't have been the right editor for the job...thanks, WNDL42 (talk) 15:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Athaenara ✉ 17:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

→ In re: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/EdJohnston.

Hi Athaenara, and thanks for your interest. If you could look at the current draft of answers in my Sandbox, I'd be grateful. See if I left anything out that most people would want to have answered. EdJohnston (talk) 19:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't think of anything conspicuously absent. I think you'll make a great admin and I'm glad you're considering acceptance of the nom. — Athaenara ✉ 21:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

In re your ability to communicate without losing your temper with editors who are violating policies and guidelines, could you have a look at this AFD? — Athaenara ✉ 04:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It was appropriate to have an AfD discussion on this. From what I can tell, your speedy deletions were reasonable. The article seems to be improving slightly due to the AfD criticism. I don't feel like weighing in without more study, since the darn thing could be notable. The creator's COI is bothersome, though she is participating in discussions and responding to what people say. With better writing (and maybe some links to similar devices) the article might be worth keeping. As DGG said, finding any product reviews at all would be useful. A Google search for 'xs2theworld' finds the WP article for Speaking Dictionary only on the fourth page of results, which is a good sign. I've been looking at some other AfDs where the WP article is always the #1 hit. EdJohnston (talk) 06:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. One thing that bothered me was that it seemed like it should be notable, but it isn't the only such product on the market. — Athaenara ✉ 06:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

For example, a search for speaking dictionary without xs2 (the company which produces this one) yields nearly 300,000 ghits. — Athaenara ✉ 06:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Athaenara, thanks so much for your support! And since you've been an admin for a while, maybe you can give advice on mistakes that new admins should avoid. (I wasn't aware of the new tabs and so far nearly deleted my user page. That would have been an auspicious beginning :-). EdJohnston (talk) 18:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome! — Athaenara ✉ 02:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

One of many areas which need attention is Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages, not only because there are so many (thousands), but because most {{indefblocked}} templates now automatically add pages to that category.

Many of the pages so tagged involve sock puppets. Those should not be deleted, because sock puppetry case tracking is more time-consuming (finding the deletion log, bringing up the page to check the categories and usernames, etc.) if the user pages are gone.

If the template was substed, it's easy to remove the category from the embedded text. If it wasn't, the page may be edited to subst it (with {{subst:templatename}} as here), then edited again (as here).

(Posted because you asked about advice.) — Athaenara ✉ 04:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

So you should only delete one of those pages if you're sure it's *not* part of the evidence for a sockpuppet report? Why is it appropriate to delete them, rather than ignore them? EdJohnston (talk) 05:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

See if you can make sense of the "they should not be in this category in the first place, but if they are, please leave them" caution and get back to me on it, please :-) — Athaenara ✉ 06:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing. My interpretation of "they should not be in this category" is to get them out of the category. My interpretation of "please leave them" is "don't delete them," not "leave them in the category." — Athaenara ✉ 06:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

This admin stuff is not going in a good direction. From the glamor and excitement of the COI noticeboard, to the Temporary Wikipedian userpages?.. I guess it's important to be useful. EdJohnston (talk) 06:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Glamour? Excitement? What'd I miss?! — Athaenara ✉ 06:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

(Probably the irony.) — Athaenara ✉ 07:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Really, no irony, just a little hyperbole. I looked at some of the other RfAs running the same time as mine, to see the kind of WP work the other candidates had done, and one man did so much vandal-fighting his user page was vandalized 49 times. It's hard to think it would be fun to work in such an area long term. At COIN people are relatively polite, and when new editors show up that don't seem inclined to follow the rules, you can feel the support of the community in dealing with them. EdJohnston (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

And I'm just a little slow ;-) In the long run, or even in the short run, if one spends a lot of time on tasks one finds tedious and aggravating, one is likely to contribute less and less. So, in the interest of your individual well-being as well as in the interest of the community at large: involve yourself in the tasks you enjoy, you'll do them well. — Athaenara ✉ 14:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old user page

→ Moved to User talk:Athaenara/Archive 00#Old user page

[edit] Leave me a message link?

Do you have one on this page somewhere? I'm always confused as how you like messages to be added. --Ronz (talk) 02:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you meant by a message link. — Athaenara ✉ 02:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Something like: To leave a message on this page, click here. --Ronz (talk) 03:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Isn't that what the + tab at the top of the page is for? — Athaenara ✉ 03:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

At any rate, don't worry about where. I'll sort them myself at some point, because I use archives to retrieve discussions of recurrent or related issues. — Athaenara ✉ 03:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah. I've never noticed that anywhere before. --Ronz (talk) 03:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm keeping this section around for awhile—see also User talk:Athaenara/Archive 1#Nonspecific comment intended to be hard to classify within your system :-) — Athaenara ✉ 09:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Motif (narrative)

→ Moved to User talk:Athaenara/Archive 00#Deletion of Motif (narrative)

[edit] Archiving stuff

→ In re: Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archival.

I think I found the archiving bot mentioned at WP:ARCHIVE, in case you encounter its incantations in other Talk pages. The activity of a bot is probably apparent in the History of the more recent archive. -- SEWilco (talk) 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Note that some of your userboxes have lost images, probably logos. Brain (particularly the Neuroscience portal box) has some images to consider, as does the UCB article (if nothing else, the UC map in the footer might do). -- SEWilco (talk) 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, you're really helpful! I'd been neglecting those images (a logo and a seal) which are overdue for attention. I'm following through, and I enjoyed the side trip: "although the brain represents only 2% of the body weight" it uses 15% of cardiac output, 20% of total body oxygen, and 25% of total body glucose ... — Athaenara ✉ 20:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Go Bears!

Good to see Berkeley alums here at WP. --Kevin Murray (talk) 05:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Class of '88

Porsche alums as well—mine was a 1963 356 SC. — Athaenara ✉ 07:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC) '92

[edit] Bugging you about bothering other people

Good evening. I don't have much experience with rapping people on their virtual knuckles as an administrator (yes, janitorial post, but our words are treated with more weight and we're definitely more responsible for them), much preferring to solve disputes with polite and usually ineffectual diplomacy, but there are times when a blunt instrument is called for. I would appreciate it if you took a look at this message to see if it was, in your opinion, proper conduct. --Kiz o r 03:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hexagon1's last post on that talk page was two weeks ago. A more recent post (diff) indicates some awareness of the civility issues. — Athaenara ✉ 04:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)]

[edit] Ambiguity tolerance

"One needs to cultivate a high tolerance for ambiguity." - Is that genius quote yours? Dorftrottel (warn) 11:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I'm not sure if you're actually crediting me as a genius ;-) but the first time I remember saying it was in 1990 in an ethnic studies class at UC Berkeley. — Athaenara ✉ 11:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is genius. To me at least, which albeit may not be the high water mark: I didn't even know of the term ambiguity tolerance. Also, I usually say something is genius if and when it is something I've almost managed to come up with myself for a prolonged period. Dorftrottel (troll) 11:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. — Athaenara ✉ 11:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invisible Pink Unicorn

→ In re: My post on User talk:-Midorihana-.

Really? Wow. :) Awesome. Midorihana^{~いいですね? はい!} 20:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the image is very nifty as it is but your application of it, the way it seems to appear and disappear, is particularly cool. — Athaenara ✉ 23:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request edit

Hi, here you linked to {{request edit}}, the template says only COI edits but it also works for uncontroversial edits to fully protected pages?

I don't have a COI, I just can't edit 'cause the page is locked. WLU (talk) 13:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yoicks, {{editprotected}} (diff) was meant, I had a feeling something was a little odd there at the time.

Thank you for prompting me to look again. — Athaenara ✉ 14:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

And thank you for pointing out the request edit template, I've a couple COIs that I talk to who will doubtless be very interested! Always delightful to learn something new : ) WLU (talk) 15:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome! — Athaenara ✉ 15:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awarding Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Aprils fools day was a blast. Loads of users lightened up to have good old fashioned fun. I want to thank you for taking part in editing this page in particular and even though I may not know you, embrace the same talk pages, or even edit with you in the near future, I'd like to award you this Barnstar for making Wikipedia a fun environment in which to contribute. Until next year. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 13:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thank you! — Athaenara ✉ 13:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Policy

Hello Athaenara, may you kindly tell me, does wikipedia have a policy on stalking? If there is not one, how would I go about putting such a policy forward? Also, is there a support group to help victims? How can victims get in contact with each other? thankyou kindly for your help on this Susanbryce (talk) 01:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Wikipedia:Harassment is what you're looking for? — Athaenara ✉ 05:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gone for awhile

Disgusted by Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 April 21#High school alumni (United States) and similarly pointless processes. — Athaenara ✉ 12:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:-( ...tho I understand the sentiment... Zeng8r (talk) 16:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Result was keep, thank goodness. — Athaenara ✉ 11:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I am taking a long semi-wikibreak and will be editing less frequently. — Athaenara ✉ 05:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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