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Contents 1 Age 2 Clean up needed? 3 Illustrations in Gundam Seed novels 4 Love Interests 5 Athruns Gundams

[edit] Age

Okay. Seriously, how old is this dude and why is there even a debate? Ace Class Shadow 05:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

He's fifteen. SEED ends on 9/27/71. He was born on 10/29/55. As far as I can tell, that would make him fifteen despite official sources liking to round ages up in the series. Calaschysm 12:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

He's supposed to be older than Kira and Cagalli, and if he was born on the 29 of October and they were born in May, then one must assume that he was born in 54 C.E. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.116.130 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 15 May 2006 UTC.

Someone edited the page to request that the date of birth wasn't edited. I've removed the request from the article - notes like that need to be here on the talk page. Once the discussion here has reached a consensus, then anyone is free to revert changes to the guy's age and date of birth to reflect that consensus. A useful tool for keeping an eye on things like this is the watch list - that's only available if you're logged in, but it only takes a few seconds to create an account. --Hughcharlesparker 16:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it's just that I've been led to believe that Athrun is older than Kira and Cagalli, and if they were born in May C.E. 55, then Athrun must have been born on October 29 C.E. 54, which would make him 16 in Gundam Seed and 18 in Gundam Seed Destiny.

He ACTS older than the two of them, that doesn't make him older in actual age. Please stop messing with this section unless you can provide a good, verifiable source for your info. --71.12.221.109 03:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/1887/ath438si.jpg 10/29/55. Calaschysm 17:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Like Calaschysm's for example. --71.12.221.109 21:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up needed?

The CE character articles have been getting messy lately, especially this one. Look at the size of quotes, notable dialogue and trivia. I say a cut down is in order. Specifically, who is it who's deciding this is 'notable dialogue' for this and other entries? --HellCat86 21:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I concur, some of this stuff (like Athrun saying his launch phrase with Dearka, Kira, Cagalli, and Mu was not at all special, I wasn't exactly moved by his threats to bring the disabled Kira back to his carrier either) just isn't memorable or is not worth mentioning. Hence why I removed the examples I cited. --71.12.221.109 02:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, alot of these edits seem to be coming from someone who seems to want to push certain pairings. Over on the Miriallia entry, someone kept adding what was basically a generic bit of dialogue where Miriallia wishes Dearka good luck. Specifically for Athrun, I don't think every dramatic scene needs to be quoted. Something like the scene where he admits he 'killed' Kira should, since that's important. It's where he spells out his motives and where Cagalli gives him the words that start changing his mind. --HellCat86 08:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, done some more clean up. A few points:

• Destiny officially retconned that the ZAFT special forces were always called FAITH, so I've edited that piece of trivia to better reflect that.
• Again, this is a general problem with the CE entries- voice actor trivia. The fact is, there are several big name anime VAs in Japan who will often work togethor. At the moment it feels like people are trying to make any occassion of that happening in SEED/Destiny look like some inside joke when it's probably just coincidence. I've kept the current mentions since they seemed relevant but I think this is starting to venture into trivia better mentioned in the entries for the actual actors themselves, not the pages of characters they've voiced. --HellCat86 02:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Edited to make verb tenses more consistant. Do we need this much detail on some of the battles and do we need the trivia at all?

Deleting most if not all of the trivia wouldn't bother me. A lot of the CE character trivia is really pointless and/or opinion. Calaschysm 03:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Okay, went to work on the trivia. Axed the bit on love interests pointing pistols at each other - there's too many examples of major cast members pointing pistols at each other for this to mean anything. Also axed references to voice actors appearing together in other shows. If it needs to be listed, it should be under the appropriate VA's, not here. Axed the reference to the Libyan city, Al Athrun; there's no evidence that the city, if it exists, has anything to do with the character's name. The trivia related to the Infinite Justice mobile suit belongs on that page, not this. Most of the rest should probably be melded into the rest of the atricle or axed.

[edit] Illustrations in Gundam Seed novels

Can someone confirm that the sketches in the intro section are NOT done by Ogasawara Tomofumi? He's the only illustrator credited in the novel; there is no mention of Hirai Hisashi. --Yezhanquan

• I looked at the my copy of the second novel before I made the change. Basically, the character art at the start of the book is from model sheets Hirai did. The actual full page art seen in the rest of the book is by Tomofumi --HellCat86 03:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Lol... So I guessed Hirai-san did not get credited then. --Yezhanquan

[edit] Love Interests

Until we are told or shown otherwise as of Final Plus Meyrin is still a possible love interest. I see no reason why people keep editing her out as that. If you have solid evidence that she is not a possible love interest, please show it. Otherwise I think it should stay as it is.

Yes, my solid evidences are their GSD OFFICIAL Files, Morosawa's latest interview in April 2006 Animedia, GSD The Edge (focusing on Athrun's point of view), and Athrun has never shown any romantic feelings towards Meyrin throughout TV GSD, Final Plus and GSD Special Editions. According to Char Blog on 12/31/2005, few days later after GSD Final Plus was broadcasted on TV, Sunrise Seed 120% responded to question about that walking scene: "Question: who was the winner in the contest for Athrun at the end? Answer: Although Meyrin was with him at the epilogue of GSD Plus, it did not mean Meyrin was the winner. Still, other people even had more chance.". Boredandsleepy 07:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I will also support this claim based off facts rather than other users personal beliefs as there is no solid evidence yet as to why Meyrin isn't Athruns love interest. -Adv193 21:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How can Meyrin become Athrun's love interest when Athrun never showed his romantic feelings towards her? As far as I know, it's only one-sided from Meyrin. Ironically, in Morosawa's interview in April 2006 Animedia, although Morosawa had nice comments about Meyrin, she did not say/mention Meyrin had any possible love/romantic feelings towards Athrun. She also did not say/mention Athrun had any possible feelings towards Meyrin. Boredandsleepy 07:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Although some people think Athrun and Meyrin could be a couple,most likely Athrun thinks their relationship as just friends because he did not show any signs of love affection to Meyrin and he still loves Cagalli.

Some people think it should be Athrun and Cagalli others think it should be Athrun and Meyrin.We don't know who Athrun will end up with,maybe the recently annonced movie will tell us. One question:Which relationship is more reasonable?Athrun and Cagalli or Athrun and Meyrin?

Most likely you don't know what Athrun thinks. We aren't debating that. Again, this isn't about what you personally feel, but what is shown in the anime. That is Athrun and Cagalli parting ways, and Athrun and Meyrin walking away together at the end of the last canon piece of anime in the timeline. That makes her a possible love interest. As for more reasonable at this point, that would be Athrun and Meyrin since it's the last thing shown to us.

Although Cagalli did not wear the ring, she was still keeping it herself in the new cutscene of GSD Special Edition IV. Even though there's no ring on her finger, Athrun's response to Kira in episode 45 and GSD SE IV "It's fine for now. We don't need to rush. We have the same dream". Though Cagalli was not with Athrun towards the end, it did not mean it was their breakup or your saying "parting ways". Now, let's look at Final Plus again. After that walking scene (your so-called "possible interest" that Meyrin walking/following behind Athrun), it followed with Asucaga hug scene (as seen in GS episode 43) in the ending sequence. Few days later after GSD Final Plus was broadcasted, Sunrise Seed 120% (according to Char Blog on 12/31/2005) responded to the question about that walking scene "Question: who was the winner in the contest for Athrun at the end? Answer: Although Meyrin was with him at the epilogue of GSD Plus, it did not mean Meyrin was the winner. Still, other people even had more chance." Ishida Akira, voice actor for Athrun Zala, (in his short interview in July 2006 Animedia after hearing Athrun Zala was voted as number 5 best male character in 25th 2006 Animedia annual ranking), said that scene with Meyrin following behind Athrun was possibly a "picture service" only. Boredandsleepy 07:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Though there is nothing declaring Athrun's love for either girl, so it should stay as it is. Hiatus and possible one-sided. The other notes (on her side) are not needed. It's obvious what one sided means.

Morosawa, the script writer for both GS and GSD, confirmed both Athrun and Cagalli have mutual feelings to each other in her interview in April 2006 Animedia. That is, Morosawa had confirmed Athrun and Cagalli two-sided feelings. As we saw in anime, Cagalli was the only one Athrun loved. For instance, in TV GSD episode 8 and GSD SE I, Athrun gave a ring to Cagalli and gave her a kiss. In GSD SE I, it had new cutscene with Athrun's thinking of Cagalli. In GSD episode 45 and GSD SE IV, after seeing no ring on Cagalli's finger, Athrun responded to Kira "It's fine for now. We don't need to rush. We have the same dream". And then in GSD Final Plus, Athrun gave Cagalli sudden passionate hug during Archangel took off to space. Back here, throughout the anime, besides that walking scene (which Sunrise Seed 120% immediately responded, few days after Final Plus was broadcasted, that Meyrin was not the winner), Athrun showed no romantic feelings to Meyrin at all. Boredandsleepy 07:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I happen to agree with this comment as it is also the goal that I am striving for since I am getting tired of this endless conflict debate and had the invisible note added to help reduce the conflict as much as possible. -Adv193 23:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

One other thing is if there is ever a discussion to decide if this is canon or not to the official storyline then I will participate in that as well. -Adv193 23:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I will be more happy to join the discussion if you are willing to come up with any further solid evidence to support your sayings. Remember, this is Wikipedia (the so-called free Internet Encyclopedia and not regular forums) which should base our discussion on facts and not personal beliefs, insights, interpretation, or speculation. Boredandsleepy 07:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

hhmmmmm...i guess you could be right,but we will have to see what will happen.

I agree. Though it still gets edited out and the same with the Cagalli portion as well. It's fine as it is, possible on her side is fine as well.

Not to you, but there is also no reason to be nit picky about details either (walking behind versus accompanying) unless you are going to go back and mention the placement of every pair in relation to how they walked.

We have to keep this as neutral as possible,so there should be no one the sides of asucaga or asumey

Let me reinstate again. This is Wikipedia (the so-called free Internet Encyclopedia and not regular forums) which should base our discussion on facts and not personal beliefs, insights, interpretation, or speculation.Boredandsleepy 07:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Morosawa (Fukuda's wife) said in her interview that Meyrin wasn't that one who can sweeten, comfort or heal Athrun, in the actual April 2006 Animage magazine. Meyrin was in GSD because Morosawa said she didn't want GSD to be over-crowded with strong-type females. She also said that Athrun doesn't have any romantic feelings for Meyrin, and that he is not a changeable man, which means he still holds strong love to Cagalli. The ending of GSD was the beginning of Athrun and Cagalli's relationship, therefore Morosawa did not intentionally tear them apart or break them up. So AthrunxCagalli fans, get your hopes high ! Veeh4anime 10:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I have heard a variety of claims about what Ms. Morosawa and/or Mr. Fukuda have said in various alleged interviews. The closest to evidence I've found is Google caches of alleged translations of unknown accuracy that link to supposed orginal sites that no longer exist. Some of those claims were interpreted as Ms. Morisawa favoring a match with Meyrin and discounting that there was ever anything between Athrun and Cagalli, which led to vocal vilification of Ms. Morisawa by some fans. Have you got any linkage that will help neutral observers separate your comments and opinions from the article's content and help them assess the accuracy of the translation of Ms. Morisawa's remarks? Edward321 05:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

By reading your comments about Morosawa interview, it made me believe you had never done enough research. There are number of Morosawa interviews. As of now, her latest one was in April 2006 Animedia. However, at one time some people modified the content on Internet so it sounded like Meyrin was the only one who could heal and comfort Athrun. What I tried to say is Veeh4anime was correct with her information listed above. Boredandsleepy 08:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that the Love Interest concept has been deleted from the character infoboxes then this debate is over. -Adv193 18:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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I'm boredandsleepy. I'm new here but not new in other forums. I am writing the following long comments for this report.

To support Veeh4anime, I do have the scan for April 2006 Animedia about Morosawa's interview and her comments for Asucaga pairing. I copied the same comments I have from Animesuki to this section.

1) She said Cagalli is very important to Athrun and he will support very important her and that will never change for life.

2) She said even Athrun was surrounded by women, he's not a hula-hula (changeable) man in the relationship section for Athrun and Cagalli.

3) She also mentioned although Athrun and Meyrin were there at that scene but what would become of them remained unknown. Perhaps they would be good combination (not couple) or perhaps they would go to separate roads.

4) After her comments for the Asucaga pairing, the interviewer questioned her that:

"So in no way, both of their love was just a vision, right?"

Then her response to the interviewer:

"They certainly have feeling for each other, but it's still the beginning. For them, they have their own kind of love and these two must find it together. I did not intentionally pull and tear them apart. I like them too so please don't misunderstand me"

1) アスランは確かにカガリのことを大事にしてるし、大変な彼女を支えたいと思っているし、それは 生涯変わらな いと思います

2) 複数の女性が周りにいるからといって彼自身がフラフラしている訳じゃない

3) 「確かに一緒にいましたね、あの場では。でも、この先あの二人の関係がどうなっていくかはわか らない。良い コンビになるかもしれない。でも別な道を行くことになるかもしれないですよ」

4) "決して ふたりの戀が幻だつだわけではないんですよね"

お互いが好きと言う気持ちはうまれたけど、まだ入り口 いうことです 彼らには彼らなりの愛情の形がるはずなんですが 二人はこれを二人で見つけていかなくてはならない いとうことです 二人の仲を裂こうとしていたわけでもなんでもない 私、別にあの二人の仲を引き裂こうとしていたわけでもなんでもありませんし 彼らのこともすきだから書いてますので できればそこは、誤解しないで 頂きたいなあと

The new ending sequence for GSD Special Edition IV with Athrun's wearing Orb uniform is pretty much the answer from Morosawa to her interview listed above; that is, Athrun chose to stay with Orb (Cagalli).

On the other hands, GSD OFFICIAL files never mentioned Athrun had any romantic feelings towards Meyrin. The only person that Athrun actually loves is Cagalli. Therefore, Cagalli is Athrun's only love interest. To keep you updated, those major Japanese magazines such as NewType, Animedia, Animage and Gundam Ace had been always making article or picture for Asucaga and KiraLacus whenever it's about GS/GSD. I hardly came across any news that indicated their recognizing the pairing of Athrun and Meyrin

I also have questions about your information for Athrun Zala in GS:

1) Is it really necessary to spend extra effort to emphasize Lacus was the first girl he ever kissed - actually a peck/kiss on Lacus' cheek? Do you realize in GS official files and GS novels there was no love involved between Athrun and Lacus at all except his respect and liking her as a friend?

Even though you had not ever explicitly say Lacus was his first love, your statement was indeed ambiguous that alluded others (who never watched GS) to think Lacus was the one.

2) We all knew Athrun and Cagalli were together in an unmanned island almost throughout entire GS episode 24. You basically briefed their encountering with few lines and did not mention their encountering had actually become significant to Athrun's love life in future. In GS episode 26, which is actually the compilation version narrated by "TM Revolution", in his narration he said Athrun's heart began to ripple ever since he met with Cagalli in the unmanned island. In the Gundam Seed PS2 game (Never Ending Tomorrow), one of their short anime clip had mentioned this girl would become very important to Athrun in future after their encountering in the island.

3) In this report, it was missing the part about Athrun and Cagalli together visiting Kira, Lacus and others in the orphanage in the 5 minutes Special Gundam Seed OVA.

Now look at your report for Athrun Zala in GSD. Unfortunately, it was the worst and unfair report:

1) You over-detailed Meyrin (as much as possible) in her limited moment with Athrun to allude others (who never watched GSD) to believe Meyrin play important role to Athrun's love life.

For instance, "Lunamaria's younger sister Meyrin Hawke is interested in Athrun, but her shyness makes this less apparent." This is actually your own speculation since it has never stated in any GSD official documents or has ever mentioned in the TV. Your saying "but her shyness makes this less apparent" sounds that if we don't quite see her interested in Athrun it's because we don't know she's too shy?!

2) To be frank, you had excluded significant moments between Athrun and Cagalli. Is it very difficult to include them in your report?

a) Nothing was being mentioned about Athrun being worrying about Cagalli's safety when she (with her Akatsuki) fought against Shin's destiny to protect Orb in episode 43 and his screaming out her name "Cagalli" at her risky moment.

b) Nothing was being mentioned about Cagalli running up to see Athrun in sickbay and caressed his hair with her eyes filled up with tears.

c) Nothing was being mentioned about the conversation between Athrun and Cagalli in sickbay in episode 39 and their seeking forgiveness to each other.

3) I also found the following information incomplete/ambiguous:

a) You wrote, "Athrun is surprised to see she is no longer wearing the ring he had given her, and she leaves without speaking to him. His friends Kira and Lacus attempt to speak with him, but Athrun assures them everything will be all right." In fact, you should write exactly what he had said on TV; that is "but Athrun assures them (Kira and Lacus) it's all right for now and they (Athrun and Cagalli) don't need to rush because they (Athrun and Cagalli) have the same dream". Your only saying "but Athrun assures them everything will be all right" is easily and mistakenly meant that "they're all right for their breakup".

b) You wrote, "Kira orders a stretcher to bring Athrun to the sick bay and Athrun recovers from his injuries under the care of Meyrin Hawke". Again, this is your speculation and not fact. Yes, there was a 1-2 second cutscene with Meyrin sitting next to Athrun who lied on the bed. However, it's possible some people might also had taken turn to take care of him too afterwards. Therefore, it's not valid to say Athrun was recovered under her care.

c) You wrote, "Athrun guns down most of the opposition, though Kira and Meyrin prove competent in defending the group as well". In TV, Athrun was almost the only one protecting the entire group in episode 46. Even though Kira and Meyrin were defending the group, it's still debatable whether or not they are really helpful at all. When I read your statements, it sounds you (due to your own favor) added Meyrin next to Kira's name to emphasize her usefullness and support for Athrun.

d) You wrote, "Meanwhile, Cagalli tells Meyrin to take care of Athrun and leaves, crying." You did not mention Cagalli told Meyrin to take care of Athrun because (as she said exactly on TV) she could not go with them.

4) You emphasized the walking scene in Final Plus by adding this statement "The three pairs go their separate ways with Meyrin accompanying Athrun". However, you unfairly excluded mentioning the Asucaga special hug scene and their Asucaga hug scene (as seen in GS episode 43) in the ending sequence of the GSD Final Plus, which alluded others (especially those who never watched GSD Final Plus) to think Meyrin was the chosen one for Athrun.

For our memory, here's is the special Asucaga hug scene in Final Plus as well as the hug scene seen in GS episode 43. http://www1.pic27.com/out.php/i3307_asucagaspecialhug.jpg http://www1.pic27.com/out.php/i2549_gs43asucaga.jpg

5) Although you finally added this line "In the ending credits of Gundam SEED Destiny: Special Edition IV, Athrun is shown wearing an admiral's uniform in the Orb military" to cover up the GSD Special Edition, you still unfairly excluded the new and revised scenes for Asucaga in GSD Special Edition that was supposed to be good and positive turning points for Asucaga.

a) In GSD Special Edition I, it included an extra scene where Athrun was holding and staring at the haumea stone given by Cagalli before he made his final decision to join Dullindel. http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3448/haumea1wl6.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6708/haumea2ud0.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2786/haumea3gx7.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4224/haumea4fe1.jpg

b) In GSD Special Edition II, it included the Asucaga pic in the ending sequence. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4231/mini27255on4.jpg

c) In GSD Special Edition III, it revised the original scene so that when Athrun woke up from the sickbay in Archangel, instead of only seeing Kira there, he also found Cagalli standing next to Kira. In the revised scene, Cagalli gave him a smile with her eyes filled up with tears, and Athrun softly looked at her and gave her a warm smile in return and went back to sleep with ease. http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4244/gsdiiiac1xc6.jpg http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4765/gsdiiiac2px5.jpg

d) In GSD Special Edition III, it also included Asucaga pic in the ending sequence. http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5424/gsdiiiacdu6.jpg

e) In GSD Special Edition IV, before Archange took off to space and Cagalli's decision to stand against Dullindel, it added additional scene where Cagalli sorrowfully took off her ring, put it in her personal case and kept it in her dresser. http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1886/seivcagalliub1.jpg

f) In GSD Special Edition IV, Athrun was wearing Orb uniform at the ending sequence. (This is the only one you included in this report). http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1134/seiv4ic2.jpg

6) In your very ending section, you only mentioned the new Asucaga incident in Game Boy Advanced. In fact, in some GS PS2 games such as "GS Never Ending Tomorrow" Athrun's version, it has the extension for their encountering in unmanned island as seen in episode 24, Cagalli carefully bandaided Athrun and sat next to him and smiled at him. While Athrun wondered who that girl was, the narrator said this girl would become very important to Athrun in the future.

7) In this report, I never came across you mentioning anything about the GSD The Edge manga which was focused on Athrun's point of view. The manga is pretty much advocating Asucaga. In the GSD the Edge manga, the manga writer removed all the moments between Athrun and Meyrin as much as possible to avoid further confusion and continuously emphasized Athrun's unchangeable/steady love towards Cagalli.

In the manga: a) It shows Athrun's still thinking of and glimpsing at Cagalli before his Saviour was finished by Kira's rage with his Strike Freedom.

b) It has more details and lines between him and Cagalli when he noticed her risking life at front-end to battle against Shinn's Destiny to protect her Orb.

c) Their special hug scene (as shown in GSD Final Plus) had been retained.

d) The manga shows no sign or pic about him romantically thinking of Meyrin at all.

e) During his escape in episode 36, instead of Athrun's himself, BOTH Athrun and Meer escaped to Meyrin's room that left no unique moment between Athrun and Meyrin.

f) There's NO shopping scene with Kira, Lacus, Athrun and Meyrin in Copernius.

g) Before meeting with Meer in a free city, Lacus was accompanied by Kira, injured Athrun and 3 Dom Troopers (no Meyrin at all).

h) Instead of hugging Kira and Lacus during their take off to space, Cagalli was handshaking Lacus and then she got hugged by Athrun all of sudden. http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3188/auggace8tp0.jpg http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7471/auggace9bl0.jpg

i) After their hug and Archangel's took off to space while Cagalli addressed her public speech against Dullinel, he said that though both Cagalli and himself chose their own roads, he's protecting the day that they will meet again. Temporary separation (due to the war and special circumstance) does not conclude their breakup. Also note the writer might not have been aware of the new GSD Special IV ending sequence with Athrun's wearing Orb uniform before she wrote the ending.

j) At the end of the manga, there's NO 6 peope (Kira, Lacus, Shin, Luna, Athrun and Meyrin) meeting at the tomb and thus NO separate walking scenes at all.

8) To also keep you updated, Asucaga has been recognized and advocated in number of major magazines (Newtype, Gundam Ace, Animedia and Animage), voice actor for Athrun, voice actress for Cagalli, voice actress for Meyrin, GS/GSD official documents, and the singer "Yuuka" who sang " Hoono no Tobira". None of them ever mentioned the possible pairing for Athrun and Meyrin (or others).

I always respect the information provided by Wikipedia until I read your report for Athrun Zala. Wikipedia is supposed to be the free Internet Encyclopedia maintained by non-biased journalists/reporters who gather and compile reliable references, news and facts. I found your report was ambiguous, biased and incomplete (as I listed in my long comment above). After reading your report, the first impression I have was it allured others to think Athrun was also in love with Lacus and Meyrin besides Cagalli. Boredandsleepy 08:37, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hey, almost all the AsuCaga evidence is gone! Can someone please put it back? It seems like AsuMey is the only "real" pairing in the article!90.230.246.203 (talk) 20:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Athruns Gundams

i niticed that his gundams all have a single rest on them along with the mohawk and crimson colors so why not integrate it to one trivia part?--Spartan117009 02:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)