Talk:Asuka Langley Soryu/Archive 1

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My psychological profile

Personal view: I agree that Asuka is a proud, strong individual. Her goal is to succeed. As the story goes she graduated from college/university at an early age and was excited to join the EVA project. She has tried to mature very fast, although at the age of 14 this is surely a huge strain. Her brave efforts to succeed are constantly grounded by Shinji Ikari, who unwittingly has a 'natural talent' for piloting EVA 01. However hard Asuka tries, Shinji always seems to be better then her. Eventually this drives Asuka into making a foolish attack on the fifteenth Angel Arael which in turn mentally rapes her, leaving Asuka almost comatose. Prior to this Asuka is a strong, sociable, likeable character and as with many characters in the story, you find your self saddened by the terrible events that unfold around such promising ability. --Markavian 10:33, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion

I think we need a picture for this article. I imagine we can simply grab one online- fair use would definitely cover it. --Maru (talk) Contribs 23:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Never mind. Did it myself. --Maru (talk) Contribs 00:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Shinji's interaction with Misato

I'm not entirely sure where that "later rejection of contact with Misato" bit comes from. If whoever wrote that was talking about the kiss in EoE, (1) the most common interpretation seems to be that Misato didn't actually mean it because she knew she was going to die--she just wanted to galvanize Shinji into doing something instead of withdrawing into himself and just sitting there while the world ended--especially since it's Kaji's name she mentions as she's bleeding on the floor (if I remember correctly), and (2), in the elevator right afterwards, Shinji touches his lips, realizes that she bled on him, and starts to cry, none of which indicates rejection (of a promise that he probably realized to be false too) in my book. --Anon 02:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The rejection of contact with Misato is when she comes into his room and touches his hand and he draws back violently; it is also exhibited when she is crying over Kaji's death and in obvious need of human contact, in response to which he merely plugs in his earphone and tries to ignore her by putting his pillow over his head. He's dead scared of her and the womanhood she represents. --Aquilla

His reaction to Misato crying wasn't one of rejection. He was simply too withdrawn to comfort her and felt guity hearing her cry, so he covered his head to block sound. He isn't scared, but too confused to deal comfort for Misato. Ikari90 05:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Patrick.
This is almost exactly how I interpret his actions. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Original Research

It seems that this article contains quite a bit of original research. "If Misato Katsuragi represents grown womanhood and all its difficulties and Rei Ayanami represents his relationship with his long-dead mother" Well, do they? It never seemed to me that the characters were that cookie-cutter. Also, I didn't realize "instances of sexual tension" were transferable. Hackwrench 23:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Evangelion articles do have a good amount of original research. I suggest adding {{unreferenced|date=August 2006}} to the top, or just {{citation needed}} in every sentence you think it is needed. There are no external links nor references, which makes a lot of what has been said there possible OR. -- ReyBrujo 00:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Director's cut of Ep. 22

Under the miscellaneous items, the section referring to the possibility of a repressed attraction between Shinji and Asuka could be bolstered by a note about the Director's Cut of episode 22, specifically the line "You won't even hold me!" (subtitle of the Japanese) when Asuka sees images of Shinji, particularly their kiss, during Arael's probing of her mind. It's still highly open to interpretation, but I think it bears mention. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation

"Although her name would seem to be pronounced AH-soo-kuh, in the series and everything else it is pronounced AH-skuh because of the Japanese language."

As I understood it, the 'u' sound in various Japanese words is optionally silent such as "desu" and "itadakimasu." Is this sentence true when it says that the 'u' is always silent? Ziiv 06:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

From how I understand it, the "u" noise is, at least when said "properly", is subdued rather than silenced, though shorthand probably gets rid of it. I'd say find a video of some IRL person saying her name, and watch to see if their mouth makes even a slight "u"-noise shape.68.1.123.175 05:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The last line in EoE

Rather than bouncing back and forth between the two translations of Asuka's last words in EoE, IMO it would be better to state the line in Japanese and make a parenthetical note about the difference between the dubbed line and the subtitled translation. Thoughts? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 18:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. (The subs and dubs don't change between the various English releases, do they?) -- Gwern (contribs) 19:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the last edit: I would swear that my copy of EoE has Asuka saying "How disgusting" in the subtitled version (I haven't watched the dub version yet). Was it switched for the combined D&R/EoE release that came out a coupla years ago? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 14:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

any guess on what that last liner means? was it because she saw him masturbates to the sight of her exposed breasts? >:P or just morning sickness :-\ Akinkhoo 12:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

No one knows for sure, and I bet a definitive explanation won't be coming for a long time. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 13:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
It's almost certainly not morning sickness. I think the references in the EoE article address this, but what I remember is that Anno supposedly asked the seiyuu what her reaction would be to someone doing as Shinji did and sneaking into her room, and that last line was what she said. --Gwern (contribs) 00:49 5 September 2007 (GMT)

Asuka/Shinji interaction quote

There's a quote that I can't find a source for in the Asuka/Shinji interaction; it seems to have a source, but if you check the bottom of the screen I don't know what the heck its referring to and seems to just refer to itself. Probably should be deleted unless this is from something... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.64.137.66 (talk • contribs).

Could you be more specific? The indented quote "The thing I would like..." is sourced - I know, as I added and sourced it myself - and the two other quotes are either obvious (the EoE one, which anyone who has seen EoE is familiar with) or plausible in my recollection (the one beginning ""I want to stay with you, Asuka...") of the episodes, although I could go through the relevant episode if you suspect something is amiss. --Gwern (contribs) 04:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Specifically source 3, "A Place For Asuka In The Heart". I have no idea to what this is referring, and it doesn't link anywhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.64.137.66 (talk • contribs).
Ah. That's implicitly referring to the entry right above, which gives where one can find a translation of "A Place For Asuka In The Heart"; I didn't want to clutter up both references with the bibliographical information - they might drift out of sync as well. --Gwern (contribs) 20:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

New pics of Asuka

The new pic of Asuka is better than the old one, but I don't know so much about the "ID card." Also, these pics stand to be deleted by bots unless they're properly tagged. Can someone verify whether or not these are screen caps from the series or original works? I can't right now. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The infobox one is definitely taken from episode 08, Asuka Strikes!. The ID card one I don't know about. The towel on her head looks like the one she uses in later episodes, but I can't recall a specific scene, and it looks to be of pretty good resolution if it really was displayed, screencapped and then cropped, so I suspect its origin is independent of the TV series. (No way it could be public domain though!) --Gwern (contribs) 03:53 17 March 2007 (GMT)

The pic at the top of the page wasn't showing up, so I added a link to the pic available on the 'list of characters' page.Gwern, the pic that you chose (assuka13.jpg) can't be seen in neither IE7 nor Firefox. Offtopic, but in the caption under 'relations' it states that her step-mother is 'Mama'. I've never seen anything to believe that this is the case, and Asuka only refers to Kyoko as her 'mama' in the series, not her step-mother. Little or nothing is mentioned about her living arrangements or guardians after Kyoko is absorbed into Unit 02. Should we be changing this? --Lftwgr 04:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure? I see both images fine, and had no problem downloading them, down-rezzing them, reuploading them, and viewing them again. --Gwern (contribs) 05:22 6 May 2007 (GMT)
I don't know I only see it a dead link (placeholder). Maybe someone else can attest to this.--Lftwgr 05:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Almost certainly a problem on your end; I asked some editors in #wikipedia and they said the images shewed fine for them. --Gwern (contribs) 05:33 6 May 2007 (GMT)
Anyways back to the caption - I don't think Asuka ever refers to her stepmother as 'mama' --Lftwgr 05:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

In the wake of the mass image removals, several NGE images are going to eventually be tagged for deletion for being orphaned. I was thinking about taking out the solo image in this article, leaving only the image in the infobox, but I'm torn on whether to use the one that's currently in the infobox or switch it out for the image of Asuka in her plugsuit. Thoughts, anyone? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Asuka Hybrid Theory

I removed the paragraph mentioning Asuka in EoE as a possible Asuka/Misato/Rei hybrid. As this theory has never amounted to more than internet speculation and is original research, it does not belong in the article. --Sandoz

I put it back. The speculation is so widespread that there needs to be a paragraph dispelling it, and it's actually cited that cel animation reveals this is just an artwork thing from ambient light, etc. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 04:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see this in time to revert it, but I support V5 here. Those articles which remove the Asuka hybrid theory are doomed to rewrite it badly... --Gwern (contribs) 06:03 29 April 2007 (GMT)
Exactly; it will just keep popping back up, so we have to shoot it down quickly with this sourced thing. Of course I'll say right now that I've got a pretty cavalier attitude in regards to accusations of "weasel words" and "original research" and stuff; I've seen people use that to basically gut articles of real content. Regardless. (Btw Gwern, I'm really just "V"; turns out you can't take a one-letter name like that though, hence VVVVV) --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 08:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Besides, it's fairly important to establish that it's Asuka specifically who survives 3I and not some crazy other possibility. --Gwern (contribs) 18:31 29 April 2007 (GMT)

Asuka/Shinji section

How does the rewrite look? I did some work on the same section in Shinji's article also. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Asuka's names

Per the last edit: Has it been established anywhere that Langley was one of her last names and not a middle name? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)