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Reviewed version: October 5, 2006

I have never heard anyone refer to Asturias as Asturies in English. [1] gives Asturias but not Asturies. If nobody objects, I will move this article to Asturias. - montréalais

Saved me the trouble. Thanks. - mtl

Is Asturias still officially a principality? I've changed the comparison with the title Prince of Wales with that of Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay, as Prince of Asturias is an automatic title for the heir, while Prince of Wales isn't. I think. 213.224.83.46 14:27, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hm... aside from being called Principality of Asturias, and there being a Prince of Asturias, I'm not sure what other criteria there would be. - Montréalais 09:01, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Is the (I presume) Asturian name that's now decorating the table, actually an official name? I don't even find an Asturian-language section on the government's website. Pending explanation, I'll revert it. - Montréalais 04:56, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Principality of Asturias (Principado de Asturias) is the official name of the Autonomous Region of Asturias. The official name of the Spanish Autonomous Communities usually follows the pattern 'Community of...' (Community of Catalonia, Community of Madrid), but in the case of Asturias the word 'Community' is substituted by the word 'Principality' because of the fact that the heir of the Crown automatically helds the title of Prince of Asturias.

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[edit] Failed GA

This article failed the GA noms due to lack of references. Tarret 01:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asturias/Oviedo

I have change a few historical details, probably the most relevant is the clarification between Asturias and Oviedo. Asturias is a geographical label, there were two Asturias, one of them is the current principality and the other now part of Cantabria. Meanwhile, "province of Oviedo" is the administrative one, dating from Javier de Burgos' administrative reforms in the 1830s, which kept the old regional names such as Asturias, but created a new entity underneath, the "provinces," such as Oviedo. The passing of Francoism brought with it a new administrative reorganization, it was the oportunity to change the name to "Principality of Asturias." I think that the old provintial organisation expired a few years later, at least with regard to those Autonomous Regions that were made of one single province. As I never signed it before, I'll do it now. Asturs 15:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asturian historicity

According to the article "The Principality of Asturias (Asturian: Principau d'Asturies or Asturies) has over 3500 years of recorded history and is an autonomous community within the country of Spain." Since 3500 years would make it a contemporary of Mycenean Greece/Troy/Hittites/et al (1500 BC), I would think some verification should be provided. I wouldn't want to remove it if in fact someone has such information. hellenica 05:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

May depend on what the writer mean by 'recorded history' -- written or not written, perhaps? mfc
Delete it. It is certainly an anacronism and implies the continuity of an political entity called "Principality of Asturias" which does not exist till the 13th century. I think that it is probably born of a mistranslation. Asturs 15:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Just beefed up the history section with translations of parts of the Spanish-language page, especially the pre-Roman history. --NetherlandishYankee 18:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikified it a little bit with inner links and other minor corrections --Ravenloft 18:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asturian Coat of Arms

At http://www.infoasturias.com/ , at the left column, there is a link to the site of the Government of Asturias, with a blason. I think that´s the coat of arms os Aturias, which may be easily draw. Shall we use it??? Tonyjeff 13:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


I've seen somebody updating and .svg image of the Coat Of Arms, but the version he's trying to update is not an official one. I agree with updating the image to an .svg image, but it should follow the official design (as the current .png image does).

The official coat of arms of Asturias obbeys to the following Law of Spain: Ley 2/1984, de 27 de abril, por la que se determina el escudo del Principado de Asturias y se regula su uso. You can read the law (in spanish) in the following url: [2].

The Article 2 of the Law 2/1984 says (spanish):

"El Escudo del Principado de Asturias es rectangular, cuadrilongo y con los extremos del lado inferior redondeados y una punta o ángulo saliente en el centro de dicho lado, con la proporción de seis de alto por cinco de ancho. Trae sobre campo de azur o azul la Cruz de Asturias, que llama de la Victoria, de oro, guarnecida de piedras preciosas de su natural color, y las letras alpha mayúscula y omega minúscula, también de oro, pendientes de sus brazos diestro y siniestro, respectivamente; y en sendas líneas, con letras de oro, la leyenda HOC SIGNO TVETVR PIVS HOC SIGNO VINCITVR INIMICVS La primera al flanco diestro y la segunda al flanco siniestro. Al timbre, corona real, cerrada, que es un círculo de oro, engastado de piedras preciosas, compuesto de ocho florones de hojas de acanto, visibles cinco, interpoladas de perlas, y de cuyas hojas salen sendas diademas, sumadas de perlas, que convergen en un mundo de azur o azul, con el semimeridiano y el ecuador de oro, sumado de cruz de oro. La corona, forrada de gules o rojo."

(quick translation): "The Coat of Arms of the Principality of Asturias is rectangular, with rounded edges on the lower side and a sharpened point or angle in the center of the said side, following a proportion of six (height) and five (width). It features the golden Cross of Asturias, also called Cross of the Victory, over a blue plane. The Cross is adorned with precious stones (gems) in their natural colour and features the golden greek letters Alpha (capital) and Omega (lower case) hanging from its right and left arms respectively; and in two sentences, the motto: HOC SIGNO TVUETVR PIVS, HOC SIGNO VINCITVR INIMICVS (the first on the right side and the second on the left side). The Royal Crown is a golden circle, adorned with precious stones, made of eight flowery ornaments (only five visible), adorned with pearls and diadems of pearls that converge on a blue sphere, with the meridian and the equator in gold and a golden cross. The crown is lined with red cloth." --Ravenloft 15:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


I added its official name in spanish, "Principado de Asturias", and i deleted "Asturies" and "Principáu de Asturies" cause are not official names.

All the names of villages, towns and cities are written there in spanish and in "asturian language". I would not delete the asturian names, but just want to remark that I am asturian and they are not used by asturian people at all... (most of them are being invented by a little handful of asturians that want to be more asturian than the rest... i see no trouble in this (is good to imagine things), the trouble is that after invent that completely new names -that our grandfathers dont use- they want to make us learn and say...

That is why i want to notice that, ok, i personally dont mind that the names are written in his HIPOTETICAL asturian way, but reminding at the same time that asturian way is not used at all (just by a handful of asturian-nationalist looneys without reality sense.)

I WOULD ASK TO THAT FANATIC OF LIES WHO DELETES MY DISCUSSION MESSAGES, NOT TO DELETE THEM, PLEASE... is just a discussion... you know: to debate, a very healthy and good thing... that thing you do not like too much i see... you prefer to impose... ("to normalize" is the equivalent term you use)... to impose your dark ideas, to impose your lies, your invented language...

First of all, show respect, moderate your language, don't insult, and maybe then your 'particular' ideas would be considerated. And begin to sign your messages. --80.38.79.176 0:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA nomination

I am failing the GA nomination primarily because of lack of in-line citations. It is important to know which sources support which claims. I was also consernced about the breadth of coverage, the History section inparticular is short on details and it isn't particularly clear where to look for them. In addition the sections could be reordered and arranged in a more logical progression as they seems a bit ramdomly placed now, but I'm not sure what would work best and I think the article is well-written over all. See WP:WIAGA for a complete list and explanation of the GA criteria. My primary concerns are 2b and 3a with a note that its compliance with 1b could be improved. Eluchil404 21:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contemporary history of Asturias?

The two paragraphs that purport to summarise Asturian contemporary history sound like Socialist Party propaganda — for what it is said and, perhaps worse, not said. They need thorough reviewing. --Chanza 23:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

hey - i found a bad link in the See Also section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Asturian_people| seems to be an extra "|" great page.

206.223.226.122 20:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bable/Asturianu-Amestao/Spanish

Don Emilio Alarcos LLorach, a promminent Academician of the Spanish Language, internationally aclaimed linguist, professor of Linguistics till his death -a couple of decades ago- at Ovidedo University and very much involved in the issues related to Asturias, defined:

Language: The way that a community speaks reinforced/based on and interacting with the existence of historical past and present written literature.

Dialect: The way that a community, or part of a community speaks and is passed through the oral tradition.

He goes on saying that Asturias, due to its geographical inccesiblility, human settlements lived quite autonomously for centuties developping innumerable and particular ways of speaking that have been passed through the oral tradition. This is the rural Asturias that has and/or had many 'BABLES' or dialects and it represents a near impossible task to catalogue them due to their abundance and to one of the golden rules of linguistics: the way of speaking of a community varies all the time and it is economical.

The less rural Asturias, the Asturias of the 'CUENCAS MINERAS' due to its heavy industrialization and migration from other parts of Asturias and Spain developed a way of speaking that he called 'AMESTAO' or 'mixture' of various which indeed is also a dialect and nowadays the most extended way of speaking in Asturias.


SPANISH was spoken in Oviedo, the capital, by a 'bourgeoisie' who maintained that those who spoke BABLE or AMESTAO were ignorant yokels.

These issues are, to the day, object of contingency and passionate discussion in Asturias.

9 December, Fanjul--Sidrina 12:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asturias (disambiguation)

The other uses of the word Asturias pharagraph at the top of the page was becoming really big and very unpleasant to read, so I created a disambiguation page for those other uses. --Ravenloft 15:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asturian music

There really ought to be more on Asturian music as the current section sounds somewhat irrelevant, and certainly doesn't cover very much. I'll try and come up with something, but I'm not exactly an expert. What to include? I'll be v. happy if anyone else can contribute in the said section.Shadowcrow 20:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


There is much more to Asturian music than the "anthem".

you can find something on folk music here http://www.sfcelticmusic.com/spain/celtica.htm 80.7.149.148 (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] What's up with the flag?

There are edits and reverst regarding the Asturian flag in this article. Can we please stop the Edit war ? It is just about the flag:

This flag

The other flag

Based on: Disputes step 1

Can we please have a reasonable discussion on which one to use and why? --Figarema |Talk 11:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I been called in from one of the editors of the dispute; anyways, there seems to be a problem with the indoor and outdoor flag. According to various laws I have found, the second flag displayed is the one we should display on the article. The indoor flag is used for ceremonial purposes and the other flag is more official. See [3]. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


Look the Spanish and the Asturian version of Asturian flag. The other flag is a fake, is a invention of Banderas.

[edit] Food

I have never seen azafran (saffron) as an ingredient in fabada. There is paprika in the chorizo with which fabada is made, maybe this is the source of the confusion.

Also, Asturias is well known for its cheeses http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queso_de_Asturias 80.7.149.148 (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)