Talk:Astrological symbols

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[edit] Split from Astronomical symbols

This page was split from the above article to facilitate increased focus on astrological symbols while the other page increases focus on astronomical symbols, which, while they often overlap, also have much that is incompatible for a single article. This article obviously needs some text at the top. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 19:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

...Should Pluto be an astrological planet still? Adam Cuerden talk 20:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Some astrologists even have "planets" like Chiron and Dark Moon Lilith… astrology has little in common with the real solar system. I doubt Pluto will be dropped as an astrological "planet" any time soon. -- Jordi·✆ 20:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Chiron is a physical object in the real solar system, and Lilith is the Moon's apogee - both of which have a whole lot to do with the real solar system. 67.158.77.171 23:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Astrological effects of Pluto in charts and in transit are so overhelming (as strong as those of Jupiter and Saturn) there is no chance that astrologers will ever drop it. GrzegorzWu 08:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capricorn

I am quite certain astrology also uses a different symbol for Capricorn, resembling an ezh Ʒ with a circle below it: [1]. Can anyone check an astrology book and confirm? -- Jordi·✆ 21:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that astronomers do not really use the zodiac symbols much or even at all. However, I have seen different symbols for Capricorn and Pluto (not the PL one) in Astrology Books (and websites). I think alternate symbols are merely regional differences, for astrology software often advertises that one can pick which particular glyph you want for something. JamesFox 01:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes Capricorn has two glyphs/symbols. Cannot find the other one to insert here, though. I just found the others for both Pluto and Uranus, though. The differences between these Western glyphs/symbols are mostly European vs. American. --172.162.2.177 04:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pluto

What about the '♇' glyph for Pluto? It's in Unicode, and I have personally seen it in astrological literature. I can't say the same about the image currently used. Should both glyphs be represented?Ridan 06:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm at a loss as to where the other glyph came from, in fact. I've never seen it outside of Wikipedia; I assume it's of recent vintage. (My interests admittedly lie more with astronomy, but all the astrological texts I have seen that gave a symbol for Pluto used ♇.) Can someone cite a source for the other one?  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The other glyph is as old as the most common one, and is very widely used. A simple websearch should reveal how widely used: I would say that it seems to be preferred to the fused PL symbol. I don't think I need to cite a source since it is everywhere. Just look! JamesFox 04:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've now seen the non-PL symbol. However, even if they are the same age, shouldn't both of the glyphs be represented? Both of them are used in astrology. I'd say that it could be similar to the Eris dual-glyph representation near the bottom of the page. Ridan 03:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I just found the other glyphs for both Pluto and Uranus. And YES Capricorn does have two Western glyphs/symbols as well (most often the difference between the Europeans and Americans). Cannot find the other Capricorn glyph, though. --172.162.2.177 04:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Two Removals

I've just done a pretty big reversion. Two things removed.
First the section on the Hindu Zodiac did not belong in the article because this article is about symbols first and foremeost, not the zodiac, there were no symbols in that section. Second, I see that as before, U+02A1 has been misidentified as the symbol for Ceres. It is actually LATIN LETTER GLOTTAL STOP WITH STROKE, the resemblance to the symbol for Ceres is a pure coincidence.
JamesFox 13:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Even if the symbol is the IPA Glottal Stop glyph, why shouldn't it be used for Ceres, when the symbols are identical, or nearly so? Ridan 02:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
You would never see a Ceres symbol with serifs, or a bulge at the tip of the hook, as you can see in the unicode code charts. A letter is a letter, and is used and often styled differently from symbols. Furthurmore, arguing that mere looks make them equivalent is like treating l and I as interchangable. JamesFox 04:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed them entirely (as I suggested when this article was originally split from the astronomical symbols article). There is no logical reason to include them, as this is an article on the symbols, not on how to represent the symbols in text documents. If desired, they can be added back as text alternates for if the images do not show up, but should not be displayed if the images are available. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 18:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal

The section of the Hindu zodiac with no symbols is back. I'm deleting it. Ridan 06:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replace the Orbital node symbols?

I would like to replace the lunar node symbols in this article with the better ones here, but I cannot figure out how. Yes I am Wiki-dumb. Can anyone help out? --172.162.2.177 04:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Although the gray background of those symbols is somewhat annoying. Lexicon (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of symbol

Is it appropriate to include the "Meaning of symbol" column in the first section's table? Those purported meanings are by no means consensus among astrologers, and there's no source given. The "symbol represents" column could use a source, too, but at least it does represent a consensus view, whereas the "meaning" column seems to be some random person's opinion. 67.158.77.171 23:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed; these meanings vary widely from astrologer to astrologer. I say that we should remove them too. --Wassermann 23:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eris symbols

I don't think there's anyone pushing for the circle-K symbol for Eris, so I removed it. Please revert me if I'm wrong.DenisMoskowitz 22:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

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