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Hi Arwen,
Thanks for your updates here. A couple of (semantic) points:
The change of name from "Linesman" to "Assistant Referee" wasn't primarily to do with geneder-neutral language; rather it was to better reflect the modern emphasis on the role of the AR.
It is for this reason that I have also put back the fact that "referee's assistant" is an incorrect term, as this term was deliberately avoided as it is not considered to reflect the task of the AR.
Any comments?
Cheers, Dave. --DaveB 02:45, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I assume you mean me. Who's Arwen?
IIRC, a woman in England (Essex I think) became a qualified referee and the name change occured at the same time, I could be wrong. I don't see that the term 'referee's assistant' is "incorrect" as such, just because that phrasing isn't specifically in the Laws. There is no clear distinction to be made between the roles of 'assistant referee' and 'referee's assistant'. Law 6 states -the assistant referees also assist the referee to control the match... and under the section on the fourth official it says ... the fourth official must advise the referee and his assistants of any report being made. manager and his assistants == "manager and the manager's assistants"Mintguy (T) 04:43, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi,
My apologies for targetting that message at the wrong person!
I agree that this is largely semantic, but as some background...
Around the time of the change, there was considerable debate regarding the nomenclature. The term Assistant referee has been considered to better clarify their position as a referee in an assisting capacity. One handy parallel I read was in the library sector: Assistant Librarian (postgraduate qualifications required) compared to a Librarian's assistant (stacks shelves). Another could be assistant surgeon, vs surgeon's assistant. Not entirely transferable concepts, but illustrative nonetheless.
Cheers, Dave. --DaveB 05:41, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I think running the line is pretty much equivalent to stacking shelves. The point is it is not "incorrect" as such, it's just not the term used in the laws (although it comes pretty close with "manager and his assistants" ) Mintguy (T)
[edit] ARs
I added a lot to this artical (mostly signals). I was supprised to see that there wasn't to much written on ARs, even though they have a huge influence on the game. I am a referee and ARs are extreamly helpful especally when calling offsides. I have talked to other refs who say they never use their ARs or do only on throw in calls. Does anyone else here find ARs to be helpful or do you rarely use them? --Crazytexan
[edit] Equipment
Would a mention of the evolution of AR equipment be of interest to anyone? In addition to the evolution of duties, AR's also have seen their tools evolve, from the basic flag, to the electronic flag, and finally to the voice communication system used the 2006 World Cup. It seems like something that may give some more insight into how games are officiated today.
[edit] Proposed merge into Referee (football)
Hi. The one main problem with this proposal from the perspective of this article as I see it is that the other article, Referee (football), is specific to Association Football. The article Assistant referee is split between Association Football and Ice Hockey. Therefore you first need to decide what you are going to do with the perfectly valid information on the Ice Hockey assistant referee. Personally I would prefer no merger. The article as it exists today is actually longer than many of the stub-class articles within Wikipedia at the moment, which was one of the proposer's points made to back up their proposal. Refer to Talk:Referee (football)#Merger. Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 01:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Per this consensus, it is now proposed that Fourth official and Fifth official be merged with this article to form Assistant officials (Association football), and making existing articles redirects to the new article. Please leave any comments on this page. Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 01:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
