Talk:Askeran clash

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[edit] Needs more info

What exactly is this clash? When did it take place? By having half the entire article be a quote from a book, it's kind of a copyright violation. Please give readers more details and summarize your sources instead of quoting them. howcheng {chat} 04:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I changed some things around. Artaxiad 04:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I tried to rewrite it in a way that would be more easily understood, but since I know nothing about Azerbaijani history, I can't exactly tell if I have any of the facts wrong. howcheng {chat} 06:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice job, but Sumgait is very important to this article it shouldn't be removed. Artaxiad 19:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't remove it -- it was right there in the opening sentence. And having the link text be Sumgait Pogram makes more sense than just Sumgait because it's an event and not a location. I was trying to get rid of the big quote because having half the article not be original text is not a good thing. As you have it, if I don't already know what the Askeran clash is, the opening paragraph just doesn't make much sense. Please read Wikipedia:Lead section and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. You know, I really have no vested interest in this article and this is about all I'm willing to fight for, so if this really is how you want it, I'll just let it go; my only interest is improving the overall quality of the encyclopedia. howcheng {chat} 19:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean the quote exactly, you can add it back up if you want. Artaxiad 19:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Context

For people with no background, some information about what Sumgait was and why is was important would be a very useful addition to the intro, or later in the article. --Peta 05:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is not about events in Sumgait, it is about the first violent episode of the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan that resulted in death of 2 Azerbaijanis. Situation escalated after that. Grandmaster 10:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

"20th century Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict." Do we live in 26th century? How do we know it was the first direct clash. Vartanm 07:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updates

Removing POV, unsourced, misattributed and inflammatory text added by banned user Artaxiad. Added categories where this fits. Article needs some more serious work with references. Atabek 11:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

These are some pretty radical changes, including even changing whose demonstrations led directly to the Askeran clash, but without adding or changing any references. I'm reverting parts of it and cleaning up the grammar, the article in general and some POV issues as well. If you're going to change the meaning/information so dramatically, please include relevant quotes. --RaffiKojian 03:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, nevertheless, the edit added substantial amount of single-sided POV. The conflict is Armenian-Azerbaijani, not between Armenians and Azerbaijan. Karabakh was not the only front in the war. Atabek 05:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Added reference to the article by Rutland. Atabek 06:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Raffi - intro should give info about askeran clash not about Sumgayit. secondly, you should also produce references.--Dacy69 19:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Good changes, but perhaps the entire "background" section now needs to be broken up. As for references, I'm quite certain they're in the Sumgait pograms article for the taking. Also do we still need the article tagged fro context? The background explains a bit of what was going on. --RaffiKojian 11:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Raffi, if you agree that those were good changes why were you reverting the article in the first place? The page is for Askeran clashes only, Sumgayit has a separate page devoted to it. Atabek 15:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

POV project tag removed per [1]. Atabek (talk) 07:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)