Talk:Aseity

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I put the original research banner over the Aseity page because of the last claims regarding aseity of the universe. I am not aware of decay and corruption being widespread throughout the universe, nor am I aware that it is self-evident, nor am I aware how this poses a problem to atheistic aseity of the universe. Since there is no citation or source for this claim, I decided that it falls under the guidelines for original research and put up the banner. 70.243.116.156 20:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)Adam Pierce

Someone seems to have removed the original-research type comments, so I removed the original research banner.69.137.181.88 09:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Adam Pierce

The capitalisation of "One" and use of, in fact the general choice of words was non-neutral, especially "He is His own existence, ::and nothing can exist without Him."

I have changed the wording to be neutral.

I also forward that it should be included that aseity of a deity can be argued to be logically incoherent:

An entity is defined by its own attributes. In the statement "x determines the properties of x", for the first "x" to successfully ::refer to something, it has to refer to an entity, which already has to have a definite set of properties. Therefore, the notion of ::something being the origin of its own nature (properties) is logically incoherent.

Furthermore, for something to have the property of being necessary, this already requires the existence of laws (at least those of ::logic).

The statement "(P->Q)->((not-P->Q)->Q)" is necessarily true only because of the laws of logic. Without underlying laws, the notion ::of "necessity" is meaningless.

Saying that a deity is the source of logic or that the laws of logic follow from the deity's nature is thus logically circular.

91.65.148.226 (talk) 04:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC) MPhil (in ::support of the above passages, I have studied logic, philosophy of science and philosophy)