Talk:As-Salif

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Please stop sorting the article under A. The 'As-' is an article, it is Arabic for 'the'. I'm a native speaker of Arabic, contact me in my talk page if you need to discuss this. Please stop reverting. - User:Anas Salloum [moved from article and made visible by Gene Nygaard]

No, if you want to make a case for a deviation from normal sorting practices, the burden is upon you make your case and get consensus for that deviation at Wikipedia talk:Categorization. Being a "native speaker of Arabic" has nothing to do with it, since it is the English language and English language rules we are dealing with here on the English Wikipedia. How it is sorted in Arabic is irrelevant. In English, of course, we normally omit English articles such as 'a', 'an', and 'the' when sorting; other languages do the same things with their own articles in their own language. Gene Nygaard 14:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

And, BTW, I am a native speaker of English, the relevant language here. I'll try to help you out if you have problems understanding English. Gene Nygaard 14:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Why are you talking to me like I have insulted you or something? Please assume good faith and try to remember that we are all trying to make this a better encyclopedia, an encyclopedia for everyone. I'm quite busy with my midterms this week, but I will try to discuss this, gain consensus, and make it official as soon as I'm done. Regards. ← ANAS ^Talk? 14:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Why are you acting as if I insulted you? What's insulting about pointing out that English is the relevant language, not Arabic? Gene Nygaard 15:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The relevant here is the information not the english as you said, I agree with ANAS. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 17:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

We're dealing with categorization in the English wikipedia. Yes, English is indeed what is relevant. So, if you want some exception to the rules, get consensus for it at Wikipedia talk:Categorization. Gene Nygaard 21:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English sorting

In Encyclopædia Britannica, 1979 print ed., as-Salif appears in Volume 1:A – Bib. Gene Nygaard 21:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to suspect you that you cannot read, but did you understand what Anon says about meanings of as- ? ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 21:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

In libraries at least it is standard to disregard articles when alphabetizing, no matter what the language. So if it's a French title you disregard "Le" when alphabetizing, and I think it makes perfect sense to do the same thing for Arabic. Mak (talk) 00:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)