Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Tigrawot
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I had some more comments about this, but figured this was a better place, rather than on the voting page.
My wife is Ethiopian (though not a Tigrinya speaker). I asked her about this, and she said "Tigrawot" doesn't make any sense. Literally it means "Tigray stew" (which occurred to me when I first saw the term).
Try a Google search on Tigrawot - in all but a couple of cases, it's used (from the Eritrean POV) in highly charged commentary about Eritrean-Ethiopian relations. So we even wondered if "Tigrawot" might be a pejorative term. But if Tigrinya speakers do indeed actually use this term to refer to themselves, then it seems to be a recent invention, and if this is the case then the article (if kept) needs to include this.
On the other hand my wife could not think of another word that one would use to refer to the group of people who speak Tigrinya (we don't think it's Tigray, which is the name of a place). She thought it was "Tigre" but I pointed out that Tigre seems to refer to a different (though related) language and its speakers who are mainly in Eritrea.
- Gyrofrog 15:16, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Fairly close to my thinking. It would help convince me to keep this stub if someone were to add some more material to this entry. -- llywrch 19:22, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Ladies and gentlemen, I am a novis to Wikipedia. So, I did not know where I should put the discussion. Aplogies for putting it at the Voting page.
- Sorry, it wasn't directed toward you (or anyone in particular). I wanted to add some discussion but didn't want to clog up the Voting page (which should just be for votes) with debate. - Gyrofrog 19:13, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I am not surprised by your Ethiopian wife not hear any thing about Tigrawot Gyrofrog. How about Welita, Oromo, Gamo Gofa, Arsi? Did she hear any thing about these if she were born during Emperor Haileselassie's period? They were referred to as Wolamo, Gala, Gomugofa, Arusi respectively. The Tigrawot were referred to as Tigre. That is why your wife remembers that. The powers that were never did refer to all these nationalities by the names the nationalities use to refer to themselves. It is the same with Tigrawot.
- Believe me, she is very aware of all of that (and, FWIW, grew up during the Derg era). But she was completely unfamiliar with the term Tigrawot (the singular terms made sense to her, though). Perhaps all the more reason to expand the article? - Gyrofrog 19:13, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
As to making sense, it is the same with all languages we do not know. As I said, I am a novice. Otherwise, if it is allowed, I would like to upload a sound clip so that you may play it and hear how it is said. Or may be it would be a good idea if you can get a Tigraway or Tigraweiti to pronounce it for you.
As to what you saw on the Internet about Tigrawot, they only show about the twisted mentality of their authors. I know Wikipedia is not the proper place for airing such views. So, I have said enough on that matter and on how the Eritreans use the word Tigrawot.
Another word Tigrawot use to refer to themselves is Tegaru. I have added that to the page. I also do hope other Tigrawot would elaborate more on my intial entry. Yewqet 15:47 (GMT) 14 Feb 2005
(also posted at Talk:Tigrawot) The final decision was to keep the "Tigrawot" article, but less clear was the decision to expand or merge. A count of the votes actually suggests "Merge," so shouldn't the final decision indicate "Merge" rather than "Keep?" Perhaps it's a minor point. However, from the point of view of someone watching the edit summaries, it looks like the decision was to keep the article, but then someone abruptly redirected it anyway. Note that I am not disagreeing with the merge itself. -- Gyrofrog 07:11, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
