Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/German Soldier's House

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Since the area that is in contention seems to be sources, let's look at them, shall we?

• citations 1 and 2 have come under question on the discussion page, without anyone vouching for them. It seems they are narrative stories and not factual or encyclopedic sources.
• citations 3 and 4 cite that there were 500 brothels all over Europe, which is not disputed.
• citation 5 cites that there were brothels in concentration camps run by the Nazis. not disputed either.

now, citation 5 cites that there were brothels in concentration camps, but these were for the inmates, not the wehrmacht (obviously, as the wehrmacht did not run concentration camps). This article is on the supposed brothels run by the Nazis to cater to the German soldiers. Now, their are obvious flaws in this supposed claim that is improperly cited. a) the Nazis claimed to be ubermen, but supposedly forced inferior people that Germans were not supposed to mix with to be sex slaves for German soldiers. that make no sense, even the Nazis weren't that big of hypocrites.

--Jadger 07:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

the brothels were for the guards, as I understand it. The Germans did not concern themselves with the sexual needs of inmates. The Nazis even previous to this choose individual Aryan-appearing individuals as sexual partners--and in some cases Aryan-appearing babies or children to be raised as young Nazis. Very few armed forces ever have discriminated among those whom they raped or kidnapped, regardless of theoretical attitudes. DGG 07:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, take a look and research the matter, the brothels were incentives for inmates to work harder (non-Jewish inmated of course, for jews it was still forbidden). For instance, I googled forced prostitution nazi and look at the first link, from spiegel, quite enlightening. [1]

--Jadger 08:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The above article and the references from there indicate the complexity of the phenomenon; the evidence seems to come primarily from Ravensbrück It certainly supports that they were available for some favored inmates--it does not disprove that the guards used them also. I cannot imagine that prison guards in that sort of prison with the general attitudes prevailing there would not have done so. DGG 19:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Sexual intercourse with an inmate would have resulted in a court marshal, especially when the guard was on duty, that is standard. why would a guard stay around such a horrible place of death when they are off-duty anyways? but still: saying the guards did without a source actually stating so is OR. We cannot assume that people used a brothel because of their proximity to it.

not to mention that I did the google search forced prostitution nazi and there was a plethora of sources, none of which said anything about the guards using the on-camp brothels.

--Jadger 19:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)