Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/"Do Your Ears Hang Low?"

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --Bongwarrior (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Do Your Ears Hang Low?"

"Do Your Ears Hang Low?" (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable song. - Niaz^{(Talk • Contribs)} 16:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• Merge into Turkey in the Straw, all of the article is original research, article is orphaned and no citations. The song does exist (ask any first grader), but it's an offshoot of "Turkey in the Straw" should be merged there Doc Strange (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep and Cleanup, OK, maybe I was a little to hasty with merging this. This still needs to moved to Do Your Ears Hang Low? (delete the qoutes. Currently said article is a redirect to Turkey in the Straw. I think that's why the creator of this article put qoutes over it in the first place) and needs to be cleaned up. Doc Strange (talk) 19:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I can appreciate that the nominator may not have heard of this song-- we didn't sing it in the school I went to either-- but it's actually quite common (and popular) in schools, because of all the gestures that go with it. Try googling the title (especially google books), for a clue as to its notability. I disagree with the merge suggestion. It may be to the same tune as "Turkey in the Straw", but the similarities end there. Those two songs are as different as the "ABC song" vs. "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star", or "Yankee Doodle" vs. "Barney is a Dinosaur". Mandsford (talk) 17:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
  • A more apt comparison would have been "This Old Man" vs. "I Love You", I think. ^_^ JuJube (talk) 17:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete – LOL, I have heard the same song with slightly different appendages used. (Not to be mentioned here). Sorry if we accept this one, we will have Arms – Legs - - Toes – etc. – etc. – etc. All hanging low. Shoessss |  Chat  17:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC).
  • I hardly think that would be the case. The other versions don't have the history or notability that the original song does and would likely be deleted outright as something made up. LaMenta3 (talk) 17:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• • Comment – No, the original song was “Turkey in the Straw”. This is just a parody of the original. And with regards to your comment; “…other versions don't have the history or notability “ just go here, [1] and you will see the point I was trying to make.Shoessss |  Chat  18:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The song is no more a parody of Turkey in the Straw than the ABC song is a parody of Twinkle Twinkle (as another editor has already mentioned). And I kind of take back what I said about the parody where some...other...parts hang low. I actually found a reliable source regarding that parody that certainly warrants its mention in the article about "Do Your Ears...", but not its own article. I've added it as well as cleaned things up a little. LaMenta3 (talk) 18:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - Yes I changed my opinion, based on several persuasive arguments. Plus addition search criteria which found numerous articles that are independent, reliable, creditable and verifiable. And they say you can not teach a dog new tricks! Shoessss |  Chat  21:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep It is most certainly notable! It is included in numerous collections and books of children's music, it's been sung/taught on children's television shows and live performance stage shows for children. A google search turns up plenty of results that can be used as verification and even to establish notability--the first result is a government site, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, with the lyrics and audio! I would almost call this one a speedy keep. LaMenta3 (talk) 17:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Certainly notable with a long history in the US, see this for some background. —Travis^talk 17:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

  Comment The ref Travis cited from the New York Times is a good one:[2].Edison (talk) 14:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

• No opinion on this one, but if kept should be moved to Do Your Ears Hang Low?. JuJube (talk) 17:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, Move - Extremely notable song. Cleanup and sourcing recommended,along with a move to Do Your Ears Hang Low? with redirect removal. DJBullfish (talk) 17:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The song is satire, not parody. ie: it uses the song to make fun of something besides the song. Parody is using the song to make fun of the song itself (think Weird Al and "Fat") And the version I am familiar with is Do Your Balls Hang Low (but don't stuff BEANs up your nose...). I would imagine the song is notable enough, with references to the other 'versions' in this article instead of having their own pages. Or rename the page and make about all Satirical Uses of the song Turkey in the Straw Pharmboy (talk) 19:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Very notable, and independently so from Turkey in the Straw with which is only shares a melody (see "God Save the Queen" and "My Country, 'Tis of Thee"). Possible case of WP:OSTRICH. 23skidoo (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep And move as suggested by DJBullish. It being sung to the tune of "Turkey in the Straw" does not mean it has to be merged to that article. Many well known songs and hymns are sung to preexisting tunes, the same as it would be improper to redirect The Star Spangled Banner to To Anacreon in Heaven. This song has received substantial coverage in reliable and independent sources. A Google Book search[3] shows that it was featured in "Do Your Ears Hang Low?: Fifty More Musical Fingerplays" by Tom Glaser (1980) and in "Do Your Ears Hang Low?: And Other Silly Songs by Pamela Cote - Music - 1995." In " Musical Games, Fingerplays, and Rhythmic Activities for Early Childhood by Marian Wirth - 1983" it is described as a "favorite." It is included in many collections of favorite children's songs and in kindergarten curriculum, per the Google book search. As for the ad terrorem argument of the possibility of other body parts "hanging low" leading to a series of articles, that is just a part of the song's tradition: adults with a few drinks in them adapt the same song but make it the popular words for breasts or testicles. It would not justify any separate articles, not have refs been cited to support that. That is certainly no barrier to keeping this one. Edison (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep It is a good song and has notability. It deserves its own article. --Chinese3126 (talk) 19:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - current sources show it to be notable. --BelovedFreak 20:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• keep I've never heard of turkey thingy,- this 'ears' song has existed for decades and has been on many albums of children's songs I expect, at least on one I had, and I'm 30 now! Merkinsmum 00:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, with regrets. A wretched song, but noteworthy. Article needs a complete re-write. Majoreditor (talk) 02:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. If you keep it remove the quotes from title. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC) Merge with the original song. Please if a redirect is made remove the quotes from the title. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
• Move and very weak keep First move page to Do Your Ears Hang Low? without the punctuation. Reywas92^Talk 01:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per LaMenta3. Jon Ace ^{T C} 16:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.