Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zvi Tohar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zvi Tohar

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Obscure airline pilot. Article's sole mention of notability is that he once flew a war crimes victim. Non-notable. KazakhPol 18:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Wow. Is this non-notable or what? Diez2
• Delete I would agree. --Brianyoumans 19:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I suspect it's the former of Diez2's two choices. Grutness...wha? 22:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Tohar played a major role in getting Adolf Eichmann onto the plane and flying him from Argentina to Israel. The article needs to be expanded to clarify Tohar's role. Eichmann was not a "victim", but the perpetrator of some of the most horrific acts in human history. In one of the greatest trials in history, Eichmann was convicted and hanged for crimes against humanity. That anyone could be so unfamiliar with one of the major events of the twentieth century and characterize Eichmann as a "victim" is pathetic, and that so many would be so equally ignorant and fail to read the source provided is a strong indication of the flaws of the AfD process. Alansohn 09:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Generally, referring to the ignorance of other users is an ineffective way of changing their minds. I'm not sure why I typed victim... I must have been tired or something. KazakhPol 19:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Indeed. Personally I tend to assume good faith includes "getting it so far wrong that the editor obviously made a typo". Perhaps Alansohn could remember civility in this context and provide some evidence that the subject of the AfD is notable beyond being the guy behind the wheel of a plane? Tonywalton  | Talk 21:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
• Agreed Eichmann was far from being a "war crimes victim", but what on Earth makes the bloke that happened to fly Eichmann to Israel following his capture notable? Can we expect an article on the co-pilot? The security person who took delivery of Eichmann at the airport? Delete. Tonywalton  | Talk 11:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment the external link to a Time Magazine article mentions Tohar once, stating only that he flew the plane. Any "major role" he played in getting Eichmann onto the plane seems not to be documented there. Tonywalton  | Talk 11:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep We have articles of notable pilots of notable flights, ships: Joseph Hazelwood (of Exxon Valdez infamy), Edward Smith (Titanic), Ilan Ramon (of Operation Opera), and virtually all astronauts/cosmonauts/space tourists/etc. and any number of those who were "behind the wheel" at an important juncture. Carlossuarez46 01:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • You're taking those individuals out of context. Hazelwood and Smith are notable because it was their fault that those crashes occured. Their negligence was what led to those accidens. Ramon was notable in his own right, separate from that crash. KazakhPol 01:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Hazelwood was in the news for years after the Valdez wreck, due to the litigation. --Brianyoumans 04:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Please remember, WP:INN Tonywalton  | Talk 09:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: If Zvi Tohar himself was a war crimes victim, or if he played an important role in capturing Eichmann, then keep. Otherwise, delete. 38.100.34.2 01:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn. --MaNeMeBasat 15:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.