Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zsa Zsa Riordan

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The result was No Consensus, default to keep. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zsa Zsa Riordan

Zsa Zsa Riordan (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This skater is not notable according to the consensus criteria for figure skaters discussed here, or the more general category of athletes who have participated at "the highest level in mainly amateur sports" described in Wikipedia:Notability (people). Dr.frog 13:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep If she's not notable per Wikipedia criteria, maybe there's something wrong with the criteria.--R613vlu 13:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

What is it, exactly, about this skater's accomplishments that makes you think she might be notable? I notice that Riordan is back competing in the US again this season, but has failed even to qualify for the US championships at the junior level (she placed 11th at the Eastern sectional qualifying even[http:/t/www.usfigureskating.org/event_related_details.asp?ri=content/events/200607/sectionals-e/juniorladies-free.htm], while only the top 4 qualify). She's certainly a serious athlete, but her competitive credentials do not put her anywhere near "the highest level" of the sport. Dr.frog 14:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

There are abundant references proving her notability, e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. I could easily cite dozens more.--R613vlu 12:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you know anything about the hierarchy of figure skating competitions in the US? The competition results you cite are not from notable competitions; they are from regional qualifying events, or from club competitions with open entries. There are thousands of children who enter such skating events each year, and surely they aren't all notable enough to deserve entries in Wikipedia just because the competition sponsor publishes the results online! And the news article is apparently from her high school newspaper. Dr.frog 13:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

delete - Article don't show notable results in international competition (and non junior). So delete and wait until she become more notable. - Cate | _Talk 15:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - don't forget she's been starting for Poland now, not only for the USA. She won bronze at the Polish Nationals —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyleall (talk • contribs).

She's back competing in the US again this season; as noted above and at this link [7], she placed 11th out of 13 junior ladies at the Eastern sectional qualifying competition (and only the top 4 qualify for the US Championships). Dr.frog 23:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep For how many other skaters can such a collection of citations be produced?--Poetlister 22:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Folks following this debate may also want to look at the deletion debates for articles about skaters Michael Solonoski and Melissa Bulanhagui. It would be nice if we could apply a consistent policy about notability in this sport to these and whatever other cases might come up in the future. Dr.frog 23:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable as a national or international competitor. Kolindigo 02:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep She passes the criteria for her achievements in Poland - nonsense to suggest that she has ceased to be notable.--Brownlee 13:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

"The criteria"? Exactly how does a Polish junior competition represent the "highest level" of competition in figure skating? Dr.frog 13:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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