Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zrxoa

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 21:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zrxoa

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What appears to be an online community. None of their claims seem especially notable; 5,000 members is certainly not enough to justify inclusion on its own. Grasps at notability with POV sentences like "The forums also host a comraderie and fellowship not found anywhere else on the Web," but I don't think anything's there to justify inclusion. Alexa rank of 1,070,339. Article creator removed PROD notice and defended his reasoning on the talk page. Elmer Clark 03:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you meant "collection of indiscriminate information" (obviously it collects information). And I don't think particular section policy talks about this type of article; it's a pretty narrow section. However, this article does seem to fail WP:WEB notability guidelines so Delete. Dugwiki 18:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I may again do this wrong, but here is a response to the above:

I did not intentionally remove anything. As I said, this is my first attempt at making a Wiki page and I really do not know what I can and cannot do. I made no attempt to justify my mistake in this talk page.

If I were trying to justify this page, I would not bother with the membership numbers.

Registered Members: 5,830 Total Threads: 33,175 | Total Posts: 463,980

The significant number is the number of posts, not registered members. More than 12 thousand people have registered over the 8 years the site has been there, but folks who register and don't come back get deleted. The membership number above is the number of active users.

What is at the ZRXOA of significant value is the technical information. The OA has thousands of posts of technical merit. These include every detail of the Kawasaki ZRX as delivered, and every modification that can be purchased, made or installed.

A comment was made about the camaraderie. Say what you will, be we take care of our own. We have have raised tens of thousands of dollars for the families of fallen members.

A similar page that already exists on this Wiki is here: [1].

The ZRXOA page fits this exact category. If that page is acceptable, so should this one. I can see that page has more development than one I started last night, but this one will develop as well, if allowed to.Unreasnbl 23:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[copied from Talk:Zrxoa]:
Do not worry, you were well within your rights to remove the PROD notice (see Wikipedia:Proposed deletion). In fact, it was the proper course of action since you clearly believe the article should be kept on Wikipedia. Anyway, the difference between Zrxoa and Harley-Davidson is that Harley-Davidson has notability within Wikipedia's accepted definitions. WP:WEB lists the specific criteria web sites generally have to meet to be considered "notable;" this one does not appear to meet them. Feel free to make your contributions to the deletion discussion though if you disagree - these decisions are made by community consensus. Hope this clears some things up. -Elmer Clark 23:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong link. I meant the HOG Harley Owners Group: [2]Unreasnbl 23:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I do think it's a problem that the article does not assert the group's notability, and have tagged it as having that problem. However, a cursory glance at Google hits does seem to indicate that it is notable. Still, thanks for pointing that out. -Elmer Clark 00:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.