Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zinwrath (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 13:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zinwrath

Zinwrath (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Subject is a fan movie which seemingly fails WP:MOVIE. Last time I checked, a Golden Llama award wasn't a terribly notable award. fuzzy510 06:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep This movie is a winner of the Blizzcon Movie Contest. It has also been nominated for the Fourth Annual Golden Llamas award for best World of Warcraft movie. Moreover, a quick google search shows up quite a number of reliable hits for this movie as well. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 06:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. This has got significant coverage on related websites. Shabda 07:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Bad nom judging this by WP:MOVIE. As it's Machinima, I really don't think applying standards based on file are appropriate. Add to that its significant notability within it's genre and this seems a natural keep to me Charlam 00 14:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Which one of them are reliable sources giving "significant coverage" - The links look like download sites that merely host the video with no more coverage. Also cant find any in that google search Corpx 15:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - for as notable as this subject seems it is awfully lacking in sources. This seems to largely be a case of "I've heard of it, it must be notable" - but I'm at a loss for finding reliable, secondary sources to establish notability here. If it really is as notable as it seems then it should stay, but then again it really should not be so difficult to adequately source. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 16:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Charlam. --xDanielx^Talk 23:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of machinima deletions. — TKD::Talk 01:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and/or redirect to Machinima#World of Warcraft machinima. Machinima or not, this still needs to pass some sort of notability requirement. I just spent a good amount of time scouring Google, and couldn't find anything but trivial mentions that wouldn't help a lot in building an informative article of any decent length. Yes, it's won a couple of awards, and it's been on G4's Cinematech (see [1]), but that and another paragraph will amount to a stub. You can add in some plot from the primary source, but if that's the zenith of the article, I'm not comfortable keeping it standalone. Sure, there are multiple independent sources that mention the work, but one key aspect of the notability guidelines is that the coverage needs to be nontrivial; this ensures that we have enough material for a decent article, not just a laundry list of appearances. Zinwrath already has a passing mention in Machinima#World of Warcraft machinima (which needs some cleanup and sourcing, but that's another issue), so that could be sufficient given the amount of material that we have to work with. — TKD::Talk 01:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • To add on, usually machinima productions tend to be judged by the WP:WEB notability guidelines (since many are most well-known through that medium, as is the case here). Theoretically, this could pass criterion 3 (redistribution through a medium or publisher independent of the creator), but, again, with the scant amount of actual third-party information available, I don't think that it'd be in the best interests of the encyclopedia to keep that type of thinly-sourced article standalone. It'd be much better to discuss this film and its awards briefly in the context of machinima or World of Warcraft machinima, rather than as a separate article: even if it does pass a notability guideline, there's still not much to talk about. — TKD::Talk 02:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Charlam. Mathmo ^Talk 04:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Charlam (.. and that's how I met Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln..) spazure (contribs) 09:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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